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Cm Punk says Cena and Rock kissed Vince's ass, talks UFC debut, Pipebomb promo, etc.

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CM Punk continued his insane media run this week by speaking to Huffington Post about signing with the UFC and his WWE career. Here are the highlights:
* Punk says he thinks that people are expecting him to yell and scream in response to some fighters not wanting him in the UFC. He says if the shoe was the other foot, he would probably share their feelings.

* He says MMA was a natural progression from pro wrestling, at least in Japan. He says his job isn't letting people win anymore, and he's moving into a real competition. He says he didn't have a problem letting anyone win, but you're put in positions to buck the system and speak out, but then are told not to piss anyone off. He said he didn't care about anyone winning, but liked being champion because he made more money.

* Regarding the "pipe bomb" promo, he just said it was another promo. He didn't think it would become a huge promo.

* He said he was more worried about not getting hit than getting hit. He wants to work on his footwork and head movement, but has been hit before and knows he can take it if it happens.

* Regarding people who think he should take amateur fights first, he said that if UFC President Dana White and owner Lorenzo Fertitta hadn't approached him he would have taken that route. He said he would have fought elsewhere. He said he looks forward to fighting, and it's all a personal journey for him.

* He said that wrestling is live theater, but you do it five nights a week and it takes a toll. He thinks he can adapt to the MMA schedule.

* Punk said that he doesn't know who he's fighting, but that Dana White said it will be someone close to his experience level. He said that he didn't spar or practice a lot in WWE, but instead of heavy weight lifting that he did during his wrestling days, he'll be sparring and grappling to prepare.

* He said John Cena and The Rock kissed Vince McMahon's ass, but doesn't know if it contributed to their success. He always looked like Vince as a boss, and wasn't a buddy with him like they were.

* A fan asked if he would ever come back to wrestle an indy guy, and Punk said that he didn't want to give wrestling fans false hope. He singled out the Young Bucks as potential opponents if he did, however.

* Punk said his goal right now is training and getting his first fight under his belt. He doesn't want to sound disrespectful and wants to attain a better understanding of himself. He doesn't want any doubts or questions.

* He said that he didn't lose respect for wrestling, but lost his passion.

* Punk said he's not worried about his previously serious injuries being exploited because he's healed up and rehabbed everything to the fullest extent. He said that if he had a really serious go of things, he'd be worried about head injuries.

* Punk said that UFC fights are sold and built a lot like WWE matches now. He doesn't have to worry about being a character now, he's just chasing his dream. He said that once he has an opponent, that might come out of him. He said it wasn't necessarily about winning or losing, it was about conquering.

* When asked if he left WWE for UFC, Punk said it was always in the back of his mind. He didn't leave just to pursue a UFC career, but it became a viable option.

* The host pulled up a tweet from Jose Canseco challenging him, and Punk made fun of his grammar and said he's not surprised about the challenge.

* Punk hopes to fight in the Fall of 2015.

* Punk was asked if he would advise younger wrestlers to perform through injuries like he did. He said that he advises everyone to just be themselves and listen to their bodies.
Hope Punk becomes successful in UFC, as for his comments on Rock and Cena LOL. Cm Butthurt he'll never be the star John Cena or The Rock are. This pic says it all:

 
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#26 ·
Re: Cm Punk says Cena and Rock kissed Vince's ass, talks UFC debut, Pipebomb promo, e

Two of the top guys are on good terms with their boss and kiss up to him?

You are telling me that bosses like employees who are nice to them?

You are telling me that acting hostel in work place does not get you ahead?

SAY IT AINT SO
Yeah, what a surprise :lol
 
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Doubt 'kissing' Vince McMahon's ass contribute to Rock's success. He wasn't really protected in 1998-99. Was the first babyface to lose in a WM main event in 2000. In 2001-02 period, he lost 3 PPV matches to Y2J and put Lesnar over. Rock was kinda like Daniel Bryan in terms of not being booked strongly but the crowd loved him and his popularity increased each year.
 
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Doubt 'kissing' Vince McMahon's ass contribute to Rock's success. He wasn't really protected in 1998-99. Was the first babyface to lose in a WM main event in 2000. In 2001-02 period, he lost 3 PPV matches to Y2J and put Lesnar over. Rock was kinda like Daniel Bryan in terms of not being booked strongly but the crowd loved him and his popularity increased each year.
Oh but don't you know ? CM Punk is the allmighty know it all even though when The Rock was in his prime he was just a mere backyard wrestler but now he thinks in his mind that he is somehow bigger than everyone .
 
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What a lot of people either can't or won't admit about The Rock is that his visibly weak booking for a top guy was precisely because he WASN'T a backstage politician like almost every other top star ever has been.

When Stone Cold left in 2002, even Vince McMahon (possibly his biggest fan and booster given his stubborn refusal to admit that The Rock has surpassed him in Star Power) said he was the type of guy who was sometimes difficult to work with. Remember when Foley beat Austin at SummerSlam 1999, only to drop it to Triple H the next night? That only happened because Austin refused to drop it directly to Triple H.

Then look at The Rock. The guy even put over The Hurricane. Jericho, Angle, and Lesnar all won their first championships over The Rock. Jericho has never looked as formidable booking-wise against any other top guy. Angle looked much stronger against The Rock than he was ever allowed to look against Triple H or even Austin (he only won the belt from Austin in 2001 because 9/11 happened; if that hadn't happened he was going to lose, probably clean, in their rematch at Unforgiven.) Take a look at how The Rock (in his prime) put over Lesnar clean at SummerSlam, and then compare that to how a past-prime Triple H wouldn't lose to Lesnar clean even once almost a decade later (when Lesnar was a much bigger star than he was back when he first broke into the WWE.)

The Rock was a quintessential company man and easy to work with. Punk was/is probably more of an egomaniac and politician than The Rock ever was (and this is coming from someone who enjoyed Punk's work.) Put The Rock in Punk's shoes and Ryback probably never gets his momentum crushed in 2012. He'd happily put him over. Hell he would have agreed to drop the title to Bryan instead of turning heel and taking a longer reign for himself (Punk chose to turn heel and take a longer title reign for himself instead of giving Bryan, a guy he allegedly supports and was happy the WWE put into the WM XXX main event, a chance at elevation.)

If anything, the only reason The Rock doesn't have universal recognition as the biggest star in the history of American Professional Wrestling is because he WASN'T enough of an ass-kisser or backstage politician. If he decided to act like Austin or Triple H back in 2000/2001 and started demanding superhuman booking and outright refusing to put people over or make anyone look strong, he probably gets his way. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, if you were starting a wrestling promotion in the year 2000 and had a pick of Austin, Triple H, or The Rock to build your company around, you would take The Rock. The man was 27-28 years old (Austin was 35-36, Triple H was 30-31), and he wouldn't compromise the potential growth of anyone else you wanted to build.

There is no chance in hell that if The Rock started playing politics backstage, if The Rock ever made a "push me or push them" ultimatum similar to what Austin did in 2002, that Vince would have not gone with The Rock.

Vince was/is just lucky that The Rock wasn't and isn't the type to do that. The Rock's lack of strong booking shouldn't be interpreted as a sign that he wasn't the WWE's MVP back then. It should be interpreted as the ultimate proof that The Rock was on such a uniquely high level he didn't NEED that kind of booking to stay relevant, and that he was the company's most valuable asset as a result. Because he could/would put people over without losing anything in the process. The way the WWE has booked Triple H and Cena (and Austin back then) speaks volumes. It says that they didn't think those guys could stay relevant or important without superhuman booking that came at the expense of the rest of the roster. The WWE knew they didn't need to do that with The Rock (and that The Rock wouldn't throw a fit and demand it if he didn't get it) and acted accordingly.
 
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fpalm Some of you need better arguments. The "You quit, Ungrateful, you're a punk" argument is getting old really fast. It's not even that impactful anymore but keep saying it I guess? I think we already settled that he is hardly any of the insults some of you throw at him, and until you guys get in the ring or do something else other than whine about him, I'm going to declare him the winner.

Anywho, It's not even a hidden fact that Cena kissed his ass, Rock probably did too. Tons of wrestlers did. I still respect Punk a lot because the more he speaks, the more I understand. There's no need for anyone to do something they aren't passionate about because at that point it just becomes something that you do routinely and not something you love. I know some of you can't understand that concept, but no need to get your panties in a bunch for someone else who feels that way. Clearly, he's an intelligent man which is more than I can say for most of the people here.

And there's a difference between being nice and kissing ass. I'm nice to my boss but I don't kiss her ass at all and I still get treated with respect. I don't get paid less, I don't get treated any lesser than anyone else, I am just a good employee. Kissing ass would be me latching on to my boss and trying to throw my co-workers under the bus all the time just so I can get ahead. Sure, that's an option and whatnot, but makes you a sort of shitty person. Especially when you didn't have the skills to be the #1 employee in the first place.
 
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fpalm Some of you need better arguments. The "You quit, Ungrateful, you're a punk" argument is getting old really fast. It's not even that impactful anymore but keep saying it I guess? I think we already settled that he is hardly any of the insults some of you throw at him, and until you guys get in the ring or do something else other than whine about him, I'm going to declare him the winner.

Anywho, It's not even a hidden fact that Cena kissed his ass, Rock probably did too. Tons of wrestlers did. I still respect Punk a lot because the more he speaks, the more I understand. There's no need for anyone to do something they aren't passionate about because at that point it just becomes something that you do routinely and not something you love. I know some of you can't understand that concept, but no need to get your panties in a bunch for someone else who feels that way. Clearly, he's an intelligent man which is more than I can say for most of the people here.

And there's a difference between being nice and kissing ass. I'm nice to my boss but I don't kiss her ass at all and I still get treated with respect. I don't get paid less, I don't get treated any lesser than anyone else, I am just a good employee. Kissing ass would be me latching on to my boss and trying to throw my co-workers under the bus all the time just so I can get ahead. Sure, that's an option and whatnot, but makes you a sort of shitty person. Especially when you didn't have the skills to be the #1 employee in the first place.
Amen. Excellent reply. Even though half of the little 18 year old kids on this forum wouldn't understand those concepts because they still work at Mcdonalds....
 
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This guy called losing to the Rock and Taker and Brock as the company punishing him. Not realizing that there's only a certain number of wrestling fans. And when you're in a program with those guys the rub you get is oh that's the guy that went against Taker, Brock, HHH. And what it does is it makes people get into you as a performer because you're the guy that STAYS WRESTLING! he took that as an insult. As beneath him.

The sponsorships I'm with him on, but the fucking almighty attitude is atrocious.
 
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This guy called losing to the Rock and Taker and Brock as the company punishing him. Not realizing that there's only a certain number of wrestling fans. And when you're in a program with those guys the rub you get is oh that's the guy that went against Taker, Brock, HHH. And what it does is it makes people get into you as a performer because you're the guy that STAYS WRESTLING! he took that as an insult. As beneath him.

The sponsorships I'm with him on, but the fucking almighty attitude is atrocious.
Except....they all got their Wrestlemania moment....Punk didn't...that's all he ever wanted...
 
#171 · (Edited)
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The Rock was the most over wrestler on the roster in 1999. Austin fans always argue this but it is true.

There is the majority of wrestling fans who take much longer to bore than the slightly smaller minority who are usually the canary in the coalmine, and it was plain as day that those people were tired of Austin's schtick and the Rock was getting the biggest pops regularly, title or no title. In fact, the Rock's entire promo and presence was generally one long pop, not just the intro of his theme music.

That isn't to say the Rock didn't have his moments of laziness. The four or five or six month time leading up to the Jericho debut, the Rock was really phoning it in, not coming up with anything new, and just cycling through his four or five catch phrases every single week, directed at a new name.

Austin, on the other hand, was just getting straight up stale, and actually sometimes looked visibly threatened by the Rock's charisma on air. Put another way, he was becoming a transparent try-hard around the Rock on air, with nothing really new to say. Regardless of booking, title intentions, or WM ME's, the Rock, in the eyes of anyone who isn't a complete mark, was, quite simply, in the eyes of the audience, `The Man`.

Also, Triple H was arguably pushed a year early. I never see it ever mentioned, but Triple H had a little bit of Jack Swagger in him during his initial push. He wasn't sweating bullets, but he was very noticeable nervous on air during his very early rise to World Champion and often came off as very awkward.

I remember a few months before he was crowned, he was doing guest commentary to help his push, and the King asked him if he was bi-lingual, and he said, on national television, "I'm bi a lot of things, J.R., but lingual isn't one of them." Then there was an awkward silence at the announce booth Triple H had to break with "Did I mean to say that?"

People act like Triple H was a natural World Champion right from the start.

The truth is he was shaking like a leaf and didn't get comfortable in those shoes until almost a year into his status as a true main eventer.

The marriage swerve is what truly established Triple H, and that happened well after his first world title win.
 
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I'll add one more thing.

The Corporate Rock was done out of partial necessity to arbitrarily keep Austin as the #1 .

The Rock was coming on so strong, before the WWF was prepared for it, that they had to turn him heel in order to preserve Austin's status.

More over, it's a credit to Russo how the Rock was turned heel (over a sympathetic and lovable Foley), because the Rock was becoming so over that the usual Heel methods would have still been cheered. The Rock could of won the world title via steel chair beat down and the fans would of went bananas for it against everyone but poor pitiful Foley.

Yes, the Corporate Champion was the WWF doing everything it could to turn the fans against the Rock to preserve Austin's spot as the #1 face.

Anyone who denies this wasn't watching at the time, or just isn't very observant and industry `smart`

As heel and face, they could both rule as #1's, but without the Corporate Rock, Corporate Champion, and Corporation, Austin was looking at being usurped whether he liked it or not, and there wasn't anything he would have been able to do about it.
 
#174 ·
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Everybody kisses ass, to some extent, sometimes blatant, sometimes subtle. CM Punk is an ass kisser himself. Difference is, he's insecure and calls other people out on it, but he does the exact same thing. For whatever purpose, most likely to cover his own tracks. Quit thinking like he's some sort of rebel king that doesn't kiss any ass, he's a hypocrite. If you ask me, he's a bigger ass kisser than both.
 
#176 · (Edited)
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Everybody kisses ass, to some extent, sometimes blatant, sometimes subtle. CM Punk is an ass kisser himself. Difference is, he's insecure and calls other people out on it, but he does the exact same thing. For whatever purpose, most likely to cover his own tracks. Quit thinking like he's some sort of rebel king that doesn't kiss any ass, he's a hypocrite. If you ask me, he's a bigger ass kisser than both.

He kisses Austin’s ass...anyone who has high praise for him, he'll compliment to no end. He doesn't even speak of Hogan and refuses to bring up Angle...he acts like a teenage girl..a faux teenage rebel with tats. Male Avril Lavigne basically.

It's not what happened with Rock. What are you talking about Austin won all of the time. He was champ from WM 14 to Sept of 98 all for but one day. That's a standard WM title push. That's top status booking. From there he drops the belt, Vince wins a couple of rounds and Austin continues his face of the company status by winning the championship again at WrestleMania. That's how every single modern day championship run looks likes. That's not what Rock got so your argument is garbage. Although it is fair to say he was highly thought of and always their.#2.guy. Still any Rock fan can say WWE booked him down to keep the notion that Austin.#1 .. It's what happened.

Compare that to the Rock who loses at WM gets a 1 month run, loses again and then at King of the Ring starts his actual title push. That's not a face of the company push. You can't give me one example of a top guy being booked like that. Not one. The argument is over with. Again I gave you the reasons for that though. It's to propel HHH so he could have a strong feud against Austin upon his return. WWF treated Rock as 1a and HHH as 1b so both could have strong feuds against Austin. Austin would then turn heel at 17 so he could continue being the top guy.

Now you can say being beneath Austin isn't bad but being beneath the Cena and Rock feud isn't bad either. There's nothing anyone could of done there because WWE had already worked out that mega feud years in advance so Punk is just forced to play second fiddle no matter what he did. He can't compete with the money Rock Cena brought in. Rock couldn't keep up with Austin, Punk couldn't keep up with Cena, Rock and that's why Vince booked the era the way he did. Ultimately fans see it the way they want to see it.

Here's the thing ...Austin didn't lose too much on television. Especially those first 2 main event years. What is incredible about Rock is that he would lose in 99 and 2000 and still came out more over. After Austin came back in 2000, the crowd wasn't popping as usual..especially when the storyline being that Rock set him up to get ran over and fans were still giving Rock standing ovations every week. Michaels clearly pointed at the Rock in late 2000 out of the blue that he ran over Austin..crowd no sold and chanted for the Rock like he was a god. He was clearly #1 with the fans and Austin and booking had to fit in. Lost at Mania and he was that huge. Austin wouldn't be who he is today without the Rock main events...period.
 
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Can't wait until this piece of shit gets his teeth knocked out,let's see how much shit he can talk after that . I know somebody will say i am fanboy or that(lol the irony) but i just can't stand ungrateful idiots who wouldn't where they are without a company think he is such a big hotshot,ok you said your point,the WWE did you wrong just move on with your life and have a little sense of humility .
 
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Can't wait until this piece of shit gets his teeth knocked out,let's see how much shit he can talk after that . I know somebody will say i am fanboy or that(lol the irony) but i just can't stand ungrateful idiots who wouldn't where they are without a company think he is such a big hotshot,ok you said your point,the WWE did you wrong just move on with your life and have a little sense of humility .
You mad, bro?

Who cares? The WWE is just a sports-entertainment spectacle. It isn't even professional wrestling anymore. It's a mediocre product few people give a crap about right now, largely because of how stale it is + John Cena.

So you're all mad he left to venture into a medium for young adult men instead of one for Cena-shirt wearing 5 year olds, and you're upset he said someone kissed Vince's ass.

Boo hoo.
 
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People who keep saying "let it go!" need to remember, he was ASKED these questions and therefore responded. If he says "no i don't want to talk about it", the same people would be all over him saying "oh what a jerk for not wanting to talk about it!". Come on people, he was asked . As for saying that he was a miserable prick to Vince therefore he didn't get ahead , is bullshit. Countless guys were "jerks" to Vince and still got ahead and were champions. Case in point, Shawn Micahels
 
#229 ·
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Once again Punk's ego lets him down. The Rock is bigger than WWE, and in reality Vince kissed the ass of The Great(est) One all these years for a return. And Rock's return was the biggest talking point for wrestling in the last decade.

But Punk's ego:lol
 
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Pretty much we all know Cena kisses butt because he has been on top for 11 years despite having virtually no talent or charisma. The Rock probably did as well but he can get away with it because he's The Rock and he's walking Charisma.

The difference is, Punk, much like his character, is an outsider, outside of the mainstream. There is nothing wrong with that, we need all kinds of people and all kinds of people in an organization make it seem more real. But, mainstream individuals will always have a leg up on things over outsiders. This is even keeping in mind Punk was number 1 on merchandise sales.
 
#11 ·
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He hasn't talked for 10 months, and now everywhere I go I see articles about Punk's new interviews
 
#20 ·
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CM Punk said:
I don’t hate you, John. I don’t even dislike you. I do like you. I like you a hell of a lot more than I like most people in the back.

I hate this idea that you’re the best. Because you’re not. I’m the best. I’m the best in the world. There’s one thing you’re better at than I am and that’s kissing Vince McMahon’s ass.
:D

- Vic
 
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Code:
[B]Name                     Win %.         Matches Total[/B]
Hulk Hogan	     76.8041%	               194
John Cena	     70.4514%	               731
Brock Lesnar         69.4030%	               134
Steve Austin	     60.4106%	               341
The Rock	     58.4615%	               455
As far as statistics go, seems Rock put over more than any other top champs

Source: http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-with-highest-wwwf-wwf-wwe-win-percentages.html
 
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