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Old 04-01-2014, 09:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why didn't HBK put Masters over at Unforgiven 05'?

If the young gun sucks, he sucks. Plain and simple. Not all of the old timers need to make way for the young guys - only the right ones, otherwise you're wasting a victory. Just because someone is young does not mean they need a victory over a veteran. Don't know why this kind of thinking has permeated throughout the community, because it's simply a load of bull. Chris Masters, at the time, was a very mediocre talent. Great physique and solid gimmick, but was otherwise unremarkable. Why waste a victory on him if he wasn't the guy they wanted to be really successful?
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Default Re: Why didn't HBK put Masters over at Unforgiven 05'?

It's a good question honestly. It seems really 50/50.
Why would HBK put over a guy that would get let go for a while not long after?
Why would HBK not put over a guy pushed as hard as Masters was at the start of his career?

We can't say HBK didn't put him over because Masters was going to get fired - who would know that?

Masters didn't really lose anything from losing to Shawn anyway, overall. The guy was early in his career taking on a former multi-time world champion, a loss is expected.

All we can honestly say is Masters was gearing up to be a big thing, but his wellness violation and general lack of wrestling ability (breaking someone's nose on your first Raw match is pretty bad...) must have made backstage officials a little less high on him. It wouldn't be surprising, as he was treated as a mid-carder or jobber from then on. He probably was lacklustre in the aspects WWE expected him to improve in, so they let him go.


The real question about Masters is; why the fuck did WWE fire him again after returning? He learnt to wrestle really, really well, and could have had a good career. They keep guys like Mason Ryan though.
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He should've put over more people than he did. Especially since he refused to take on title reigns when ANY break from HHH would've been sweet relief.

He chose to work with Angle, Vince, Cena, Flair, and Taker twice at his last 6 Wrestlemania's. Some up and comers could've been made off of working with him and (gulp) beating him on that stage. It's still bullshit.
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He should've put over more people than he did. Especially since he refused to take on title reigns when ANY break from HHH would've been sweet relief.

He chose to work with Angle, Vince, Cena, Flair, and Taker twice at his last 6 Wrestlemania's. Some up and comers could've been made off of working with him and (gulp) beating him on that stage. It's still bullshit.
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He should've put over more people than he did. Especially since he refused to take on title reigns when ANY break from HHH would've been sweet relief.

He chose to work with Angle, Vince, Cena, Flair, and Taker twice at his last 6 Wrestlemania's. Some up and comers could've been made off of working with him and (gulp) beating him on that stage. It's still bullshit.
In 2004 he was in back to back PPVs with Chris Benoit and HHH in which Benoit won both matches. In 2005 he was in a triple threat with an up and coming Cena and Angle in which Cena won. Also in 2005 at Survivor Series his team lost to a team of mostly younger stars made up of Orton, Batista, JBL, Mysterio, and Lashley.

In 2006 he was in an Elimination Chamber match that was won by a young John Cena and then DX stuff happened for the rest of 2006 up through the start of 2007.

In 2007 he put over Cena at Mania, and also lost to Randy Orton at two different PPVs later in the year.

Then yeah pretty much the rest of his career was either big Mania matches and DX stuff, but truth be told how many big stars go on some run of losing to a bunch of younger stars before calling it quits?

Who did Austin put over before leaving besides 1 mania match with Rock?
Who has Taker put over in recent years?
Who did Hogan put over?
Who did Rock put over other than Cena this past year?
Who did Bret Hart put over?

Basically who did anyone that retired before the age of 50 put over? By that I of course am speaking of legends. Maybe 1 or 2 guys which really isn't different from what HBK did or even someone like HHH has done.

Also for someone who said that just being in the ring with someone doesn't get them over I disagree. If you are talented enough to draw interest to the program and match that you had with that popular star then it can be used to raise the interest behind your character as well even in a loss. Steve Austin lost a match at Mania to Bret Hart and came out much much more over then he was prior to the match, and probably more then he would have if they booked him to win that one. Some guys are able to take advantage of programs with popular stars and other guys drop the ball.
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If HBK is gonna lose clean it needs to be to someone huge, or going to be huge. 22 years old is too young to carry the company anyway, so the timing wouldn't be right.
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In 2004 he was in back to back PPVs with Chris Benoit and HHH in which Benoit won both matches.
Triple Threats. In their single matches, I only remember them ending in no contests.
In 2005 he was in a triple threat with an up and coming Cena and Angle in which Cena won. Also in 2005 at Survivor Series his team lost to a team of mostly younger stars made up of Orton, Batista, JBL, Mysterio, and Lashley. Don't remember much about this one, but he sure didn't lose clean

In 2006 he was in an Elimination Chamber match that was won by a young John Cena and then DX stuff happened for the rest of 2006 up through the start of 2007. Cena was already a made main event talent by this point. Good rub though

In 2007 he put over Cena at Mania, and also lost to Randy Orton at two different PPVs later in the year. Same as above

Then yeah pretty much the rest of his career was either big Mania matches and DX stuff, but truth be told how many big stars go on some run of losing to a bunch of younger stars before calling it quits?

Who did Austin put over before leaving besides 1 mania match with Rock? Forced to retire while still relatively young
Who has Taker put over in recent years? You got me there. I'm tired of the streak being his only point of existence
Who did Hogan put over? Put over Brock Lesnar like a motherfucker. Tapped out to Angle(which is a HUGE deal for Hogan
Who did Rock put over other than Cena this past year? Very different circumstances given his limited schedule and only being able to work a few matches
Who did Bret Hart put over? Again, very different circumstances as he only knew he was leaving a few months prior and needed to take some credibility with him to another job

Basically who did anyone that retired before the age of 50 put over? By that I of course am speaking of legends. Maybe 1 or 2 guys which really isn't different from what HBK did or even someone like HHH has done. A big gripe was his refusal to take on title reigns, yet being booked in title programs for a significant amount of time.

Also for someone who said that just being in the ring with someone doesn't get them over I disagree. If you are talented enough to draw interest to the program and match that you had with that popular star then it can be used to raise the interest behind your character as well even in a loss. Steve Austin lost a match at Mania to Bret Hart and came out much much more over then he was prior to the match, and probably more then he would have if they booked him to win that one. Some guys are able to take advantage of programs with popular stars and other guys drop the ball.
In regards to your last point, I agree that it can and does happen. But I believe that notion is thrown around far too much whenever an already established star doesn't take the duke from someone younger who could desperately use that type of rub.

All three guys are great, but I believe HHH, HBK, and Taker have been incredibly selfish with the number of jobs they didn't do from about 06-10. I think it's one of the main reasons why they had such a huge lack of credible main event talent the past couple years.
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All we can honestly say is Masters was gearing up to be a big thing, but his wellness violation and general lack of wrestling ability (breaking someone's nose on your first Raw match is pretty bad...)
Masters was told by officials to go stiff on his first match, thats why it happened

Anyway, a rookie should get a bigger pass for making mistakes - the smarks bashed Masters for breaking Stevie Richards nose, yet no one said anything when the far more experienced CM Punk broke Snitsky's nose
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