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Old 04-01-2014, 03:02 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Bryan.

Punk has never felt like the #1 guy unlike Bryan as Bryan has EVERYONE behind him currently. He is also getting the consistently loudest pops
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He would have been HUGE. I doubt he could take Cena's spot as The TOP guy, but he could have definitely bypass the #2 spot and find a spot right behind Cena as the 1b guy. A match between those two at WrestleMania 25 would have been like his eras equivalent of Hogan vs Warrior.
Makes you wonder how far he'd have got, if WWE hadn't canned his push in 2002.
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LOLrton was never a threat for Cena and never going to be, Hardy was over as fuck but I knew he would fail he was an addict, Punk was the last threat Cena had so they book 80% of his reign being second fiddle to Cena angles, I think Cena now just want a rest of being the top guy, Bryan's push happened in the best moment possible or he would face a similar destiny Punk had.
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Bryan, Orton, Hardy, Batista and Punk in that order. Punk was never as over as any of the other guys I listed. That's why they were willing to turn him heel less than a year after his run. Watch a random episode of RAW in 2011 or 2012 and look at his crowd reactions. Nowhere near what Hardy was getting, Orton was getting in 2010, or Bryan is getting now. Plus, he's just not as good of a babyface as the others. He's generally unlikeable. I'm sure the WWE knew he had no chance of surpassing Cena.
Yet he outsold Cena more than them. So unlikable that he gets his name chanted over Taker, and almost every other top star now. Punk got louder pops than them all (nobody gets his name chanted or as loud as much as him since 2011) except for maybe Bryan which mostly because of the YES chants. But if any of them left they wouldn't care except maybe for Bryan.

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Yeah, Orton in 2010 was mega over.



How is Orton, the guy who worked the third most televised matches of 2013 (DB and Sandow had a few more) lazy. He also worked the most Smackdown matches.
I'm pretty sure a lot of Orton marks will say he was lazy. He's the WWE champ now it's his duty to have the most matches. Laziness in terms of quality, his PPV matches since he became the champ is very mediocre and a lot of times he's so boring and dull and only recently improved on the mic which is not gonna be the same when he turns face which is what the face of the company have to be.
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Bryan, mainly because Cena did the promo about Bryan beating him clean. Alot of the Cena kids cheer for Bryan now,especially when Cena was out, Bryan was the top face and was pretty much in Cena's role.

I think Punk is to anti hero to ever be in a top face spot...I have no facts but I mean, guys like Sheamus,Bryan are type the kids tend to gravitate to more than a Punk. Punk playing the babyface who has to keep the cursing and aggressive promos to a minimum,keep the promos simple and just be the plain old smiling good guy underdog?



Because it appears that is what WWE want..(Cena,Bryan,Sheamus).


Not knocking Punk's merchandise sale though, but as TOP FACE,no. Hell it was a reason Cena agreed to lose to Bryan clean.
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Yet he outsold Cena more than them. So unlikable that he gets his name chanted over Taker, and almost every other top star now. Punk got louder pops than them all (nobody gets his name chanted or as loud as much as him since 2011) except for maybe Bryan which mostly because of the YES chants. But if any of them left they wouldn't care except maybe for Bryan.
People only chant Punk's name now when they're bored or when they want to be rebels. It's no different than the Lawler, Savage or JBL chants. Punk was never getting the reactions Bryan is getting now. Bryan has gotten historic pops the last 8 months. Had fans turn on the Rumble because he wasn't in it, had an entire crowd pick him to be Cena's opponent at Summerslam, had fans chant his name when Punk, Hart, HBK, Foley and other hall of famers were in the ring. Punk's only great historic reaction was MITB in Chicago. The fact is Punk in 2011/2012 as a babyface never resonated with the majority of people. People don't want to hear a guy cut snarky, shoot promos. There's no substance in that. People gravitate towards people they perceive as genuine like Bryan and Hardy. Are they the best promos? No.. But people believe in and relate to what they say. I don't think people can relate to Punk cutting a bunch of worked shoots. That's why he plateaued after 2012. Hell, the last image of Punk in WWE was him getting eliminated at the Rumble and the entire crowd chanting for Bryan . The only thing positive Punk had in 2011 was his merch sales but Hardy surpassed Cena too and Bryan's first wearable piece of merch was released a little over a month ago and is selling like hotcakes. I can guarantee you when Meltzer has the new merch sales Bryan will be number one.
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Yet he outsold Cena more than them. So unlikable that he gets his name chanted over Taker, and almost every other top star now. Punk got louder pops than them all (nobody gets his name chanted or as loud as much as him since 2011) except for maybe Bryan which mostly because of the YES chants. But if any of them left they wouldn't care except maybe for Bryan.



I'm pretty sure a lot of Orton marks will say he was lazy. He's the WWE champ now it's his duty to have the most matches. Laziness in terms of quality, his PPV matches since he became the champ is very mediocre and a lot of times he's so boring and dull and only recently improved on the mic which is not gonna be the same when he turns face which is what the face of the company have to be.


This shit again?

And just because you don't like Bryan doesn't mean he doesn't have personality...go watch his interviews. Or by no personality, you mean he isn't a sarcastic asshole most of the time?
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People only chant Punk's name now when they're bored or when they want to be rebels. It's no different than the Lawler, Savage or JBL chants. Punk was never getting the reactions Bryan is getting now. Bryan has gotten historic pops the last 8 months. Had fans turn on the Rumble because he wasn't in it, had an entire crowd pick him to be Cena's opponent at Summerslam, had fans chant his name when Punk, Hart, HBK, Foley and other hall of famers were in the ring. Punk's only great historic reaction was MITB in Chicago. The fact is Punk in 2011/2012 as a babyface never resonated with the majority of people. People don't want to hear a guy cut snarky, shoot promos. There's no substance in that. People gravitate towards people they perceive as genuine like Bryan and Hardy. Are they the best promos? No.. But people believe in and relate to what they say. I don't think people can relate to Punk cutting a bunch of worked shoots. That's why he plateaued after 2012. Hell, the last image of Punk in WWE was him getting eliminated at the Rumble and the entire crowd chanting for Bryan . The only thing positive Punk had in 2011 was his merch sales but Hardy surpassed Cena too and Bryan's first wearable piece of merch was released a little over a month ago and is selling like hotcakes. I can guarantee you when Meltzer has the new merch sales Bryan will be number one.
When I say name chanting not just now, as I mentioned since 2011, Punk is no doubt was/is getting louder name chanting than Bryan now or anyone else but since the YES chants is there he gets a louder overall reaction, to me if Punk did the YES chants it will be as loud. HHH was spot on about Fandango chants and even Ryback who was getting loud feed me more chants and they are just as loud as Bryan YES chants. Don't believe me go listen to them in YT. Fact is Punk wasn't a face that long, he turned heel in mid 2012. Punk is more likable than Bryan because his merch is outselling Cena a lot of times. Plus if you check FB a lot of people hate Bryan and think he doesn't belong there. I'm sick and tired of people saying Punk was just shooting that's completely BS and ignorant. The last time it happened was against HHH. He was over with crowd and was/is getting his name chanted the loudest every damn week as a face, it doesn't matter how much you deny it. Also Bryan biggest pops aren't from name chanting or from an entrance mostly the YES chants that gets the reaction. In bold how do you know that it's the reason, the real reason is because he thought being number #1 as a heel is better than #2 as a face, not because he was bad as a babyface, he prefers being a heel.

And I will remind you that it didn't happen. Bryan only outsold Punk because he left as the report said.


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This shit again?

And just because you don't like Bryan doesn't mean he doesn't have personality...go watch his interviews. Or by no personality, you mean he isn't a sarcastic asshole most of the time?
Nope, it's about standing up for himself and holding his own against someone like HHH because HHH is to me doing the most work and Bryan is just isn't good enough. Like Cena talks for him a lot of times while Bryan is just standing there. When I say personality I mean inside WWE. The guy's behavior is just very childish and uninspiring as a character. The guy will not stand out the best when having a promo with someone. He just doesn't have much attitude. Again with Bryan marks they always respond with watch his old stuff.

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Default Re: Which Full timer has threatened Cena's top face spot the most between 2006 and no

It's a tough one. Let's review by chronological order.

Batista wasn't really a threat..He was basically in competition with Cena : one of these two guys would become the face of the WWE. It turned out to be Cena. I think Batista's age (he was already 36 in 2005) was the biggest factor. Also he was injury prone.

Jeff Hardy : Over as fuck but so much issues....his latter days in TNA proved the WWE right.

Randy Orton : this is a particular case because he's the only one who was near Cena while still being a massive heel. The legend killer was his first big heel gimmick. The viper was a big change but Orton embodied that character so well that the crowd had no choice but to like him. I'm not sure, but I think at one point, he passed Cena in merch selling while being a heel. In 2010, the WWE turned him face and at that point, I was wondering if he could take Cena's spot (remember how people were drooling on him after that massive RKO on Evan Bourne. He was then wasted at the end of 2010. In 2011, WWE couldn't let Orton take Cena's spot so they basically turned him into a Cena 2.0 and sent him to Smackdown....so he was reaaaaally close.

CM Punk : he outsold Cena at one point. He surpassed Cena as the longest WWE champ in the modern era....but he was defending his title against Bryan in potential MOTY while Cena was main eventing against John Laurinaitis.............I think It says it all.

DB : he's really over with the crowd but I'm waiting to see if his future title reign (which could come....well, not so soon) doesn't take a backseat to a Cena's random future rivalry.

In the end, I don't think anyone of those were meant to take Cena's place. Cena's in place, he's giving WWE plenty satisfaction....He'll turn 37 this month. So I think WWE will slowly think of their next big thing. And they'll look for younger blood (Reigns ??).
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Nobody except for Batista in 2005. He was just as popular as Cena was back then and had the numbers to prove it. lol @ people naming Bryan. Unless we're about to enter The New Generation 2.0, then no, just no.
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