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Re: Top 100 Draws of All-Time

Hogan, Austin, Rock are mega draws. No other way to put it.


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Re: Top 100 Draws of All-Time

[QUOTE=validreasoning;28487889]here is a screenshot of the original document, perhaps now the op can change his first post to show how meltzer actually reported it

The screen shot is distorting the whole page 6 posts.

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Sammartino,Rogers, Londos are all getting overrated. Before Hogan came, Gorgeous George and Andre the Giant were the mainstream pop culture icons. Outside of wrestling fans, no one knows who sammartino, rogers and londos even were. Andre the giant was making way more money than Bruno because he drew more and he was actually famous outside wrestling.
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Sammartino,Rogers, Londos are all getting overrated. Before Hogan came, Gorgeous George and Andre the Giant were the mainstream pop culture icons. Outside of wrestling fans, no one knows who sammartino, rogers and londos even were. Andre the giant was making way more money than Bruno because he drew more and he was actually famous outside wrestling.
OK, and what do you base this on? I'm going to bet that you weren't even alive when Rogers and Sammartino wrestled. And, if I am correct, how the hell do you know what people knew, thought, and how they acted and lived back in those days?

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P.S. And, by the way, we are talking about drawing power inside the wrestling industry in this thread, NOT about who was a mainstream pop idol known to the non-wrestling fan public.

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Re: Top 100 Draws of All-Time

HHH > Cena.
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Re: Top 100 Draws of All-Time

A factoid about Jim Londos that shows how popular he was.

During the Depression he visited President Hoover at the White House. It was 1932, the year that Hoover was running for reelection and the year when the Bonus Marchers were camping out in Washington. (The Bonus Marchers were World War I veterans who protested to get their war pensions early, since they were out of work and needed the money). While the country was going to hell and while WWI vets were pleading for relief, Hoover was in the White House yukking it up with Jim Londos. It showed the country that Hoover was out of touch with the suffering of the people. The Bonus March and how it was (mis)handled was one of the major reasons why Hoover lost the election to FDR in 1932.

Did Stone Cold or The Rock ever visit Clinton in the White House? Times were different in the 20s and 30s. People still saw wrestling as a legit sport, even though most people I think knew on some level it was scripted. In the 1990s, the cat was out of the bag and everyone knew wrestling was "sports entertainment", so the wrestlers did not have the type of credibility they did in the 1930s. Too bad, since I think the wrestlers of the 90s and beyond had to be better conditioned and put on more grueling and athletic shows than the stars of the 20s and 30s.
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OK, and what do you base this on? I'm going to bet that you weren't even alive when Rogers and Sammartino wrestled. And, if I am correct, how the hell do you know what people knew, thought, and how they acted and lived back in those days?

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P.S. And, by the way, we are talking about drawing power inside the wrestling industry in this thread, NOT about who was a mainstream pop idol known to the non-wrestling fan public.
Because those guys were nobodies outside thier territories and outside the wrestling business. I dont need to waste my time debating with a random internet mark that andre and gorgeous george were bigger than those 3. Gorgeous george crossed over to hollywood and mainstream network television,they didnt. Gorgeous George fought on network tv all the time in his heyday, did meltzer include that in his list?

Andre the giant was very rarely booked at the top of the card, that implies he wasnt the box office attraction? In the 1970s, andre was in the guinness world records for his salary. Vince was paying him more money because hes a bigger attraction. I dont care if your emotionally hurt by the fact that andre is a far bigger star than sammartino and buddy rogers combined, he is, debating it wont make you seem any smarter, it will just make you look clueless.

Like really your trying to come off as a smart mark, but you dont even know that Gorgeous George was regularly on network tv and big name in hollywood? Mention bruno or buddy outside of wrestling fans and people would laugh at you. Outside of wrestling fans, nobody cares about bruno and buddy. There are plenty of people that were fans from the territorial days that claim they didnt know who bruno was, everyone knew andre.

Bruno Sammartino and Jim Londos werent fighting on mainstream network tv, Gorgeous George singehandly brought pro wrestling into its first golden age in the late 40s-to 50s and his popularity rivaled that of the biggest celebrities of that era, he is a proven tv ratings draw. In overall drawing abilit and fame, he completely dwarfed your heros bruno and buddy, create all the revisionism you want, george was leagues above them.

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Because those guys were nobodies outside thier territories and outside the wrestling business. I dont need to waste my time debating with a random internet mark that andre and gorgeous george were bigger than those 3. Gorgeous george crossed over to hollywood and mainstream network television,they didnt. Gorgeous George fought on network tv all the time in his heyday, did meltzer include that in his list?

Andre the giant was very rarely booked at the top of the card, that implies he wasnt the box office attraction? In the 1970s, andre was in the guinness world records for his salary. Vince was paying him more money because hes a bigger attraction. I dont care if your emotionally hurt by the fact that andre is a far bigger star than sammartino and buddy rogers combined, he is, debating it wont make you seem any smarter, it will just make you look clueless.
First of all, you didn't answer my question - were you alive when Buddy Rogers and Bruno Sammartino wrestled?

Secondly, if you were alive and following wrestling in the 1950s and 1960s you would know that Buddy Rogers fought across myriad territories. He was a wrestling household word in California, Chicago, St. Louis, New York, Texas, etc. By the way, the Texans loved to hate him. Buddy was a six time Texas Champion and had historic bloodbath feuds with top Texas wrestlers like Pepper Gomez.

In fact, the reason Lou Thesz disliked Rogers to his dying day was the fact that he was the big draw and cash cow for Lou's promotion in the 1940s and jumped ship to the nascent NWA in 1948. Every promoter and booker was after Buddy. He didn't lack for work.

Bruno Sammartino had booking problems in the NWA. However, his association with Antonino Rocca and Miguel Perez got his name around to some degree. After Buddy put over Bruno in MSG and he became the second WWWF World Champion he took off, albeit he was not as nationally well known as Rogers was. However, being the big star in the former Northeast territory of Capitol Wrestling was no small accomplishment. At the time of the split from the NWA Capitol Wrestling's Northeast territory accounted for around 40% of the total bookings of the NWA.

Pal, the one who is clueless here is you. I get the sense that you are going to go real far in this forum.

Mike

P.S. Regarding George wrestling on network TV, I actually watched some of those matches. I also used to watch Buddy Rogers wrestling all the time on network TV, NOT on the YouTube videos.

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First of all, you didn't answer my question - were you alive when Buddy Rogers and Bruno Sammartino wrestled?

Secondly, if you were alive and following wrestling in the 1950s and 1960s you would know that Buddy Rogers fought across myriad territories. He was a wrestling household word in California, Chicago, St. Louis, New York, Texas, etc. By the way, the Texans loved to hate him. Buddy was a six time Texas Champion and had historic bloodbath feuds with top Texas wrestlers like Pepper Gomez.

In fact, the reason Lou Thesz disliked Rogers to his dying day was the fact that he was the big draw and cash cow for Lou's promotion in the 1940s and jumped ship to the nascent NWA in 1948. Every promoter and booker was after Buddy. He didn't lack for work.

Bruno Sammartino had booking problems in the NWA. However, his association with Antonino Rocca and Miguel Perez got his name around to some degree. After Buddy put over Bruno in MSG and he became the second WWWF World Champion he took off, albeit he was not as nationally well known as Rogers was. However, being the big star in the former Northeast territory of Capitol Wrestling was no small accomplishment. At the time of the split from the NWA Capitol Wrestling's Northeast territory accounted for around 40% of the total bookings of the NWA.

Pal, the one who is clueless here is you. I get the sense that you are going to go real far in this forum.

- Mike
You havent answered anything? All you did is mention them working different territories across the country, in that era everyone did that. Gorgeous George is widely recognized as the biggest tv ratings draw in america prior to the hogan era, quote me on this and prove me wrong? You cant. Why have you chose not to mention andre at all, Vince Sr. isnt a fool, if hes paying andre more, it means he draws more.

Gorgeous George was at one point the highest paid athlete in the world, muhammad ali, bob dylan and james brown all say he is thier biggest influence. Sammartino and Rodgers arent even in his league. Gorgeous George is the one who gets the label, 'pro-wrestling's first main stream star'. The 1960s, 1970s and early 1980s arent referred to the golden era, because no one in the mainstream cared about pro wrestling during those days. To suggest bruno and buddy were on george's level in terms of tv ratings success is beyond laughable.
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Re: Top 100 Draws of All-Time

This list only factors who headlined most 10,000+ shows throughout their career,and despite a small 6 year(or even less) active career The Rock is 12th biggest overall draw of all time.


However,if we add the PPVs and cable ratings then The Rock would be number 1 draw of all time without a shadow of a doubt.No one in the entire history of professional wrestling has headlined more PPVs that have got over 500k buys than The Rock.


PS:And its not that I am blindly saying that Rock is the biggest draw of all time.The fact is :Numbers don't lie

THE ROCK: The biggest star and draw of pro-wrestling industry EVER.

1.Holds the record of drawing most major shows with 10,000+ attendance on top in one calendar year.[Broke Hogan's(1986) and Austin's(1998) record in 1999 and set a record of headlining over 100 shows with 10,000 plus people in attendance in year 2000.A box-office drawing record that is unsurpassed till date.]

2.Holds the record of main-eventing almost 17 PPVs that have got over 500k buys(again,a feat of inimitable drawing power that is unmatched by anyone in pro-wrestling history)

3.Drew the highest cable ratings during the AE.

4.Sold more merchandise than anyone active between mid 1999-2001.

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