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Old 03-14-2014, 09:27 AM   #8601 (permalink)
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Adrian Street was incredible. The greatest thing came from Wales ever.

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I watched these 3 last night before going to bed:

Jim Breaks/Adrian Street, WOS '72 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKmbPYlRx2g

Volk Han vs Kiyoshi Tamura I '96 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab9n0jmi05s

Volk Han vs Kiyoshi Tamura II January '97 : http://theditch.us/090s.html


I have to say all 3 hit the spot. Never heard of any of the guys in either of the matches, Volk Han just sounded like a bad ass name and that other match was the first on the list. These are exactly the type of match I was looking for, I especially enjoyed the first Volk Han/Tamura match.

Adrian Street might be one of the most entertaining SOB's I've ever seen. Mauve hair, mauve robe, mauve trunks, mauve everything
You should really hit ditch's site and ctrl+f anything that says RINGS (90s) or Battlarts (90s & 05-11), that's heaven, dude. Tamura is basically the boss of bosses. There's an incredible Backlund '98 mini-tour (four matches) in Battlarts.
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:34 AM   #8602 (permalink)
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Backlund in Battlarts eludes me. If apparently on Ditch, then this will be seen.
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Wrestlemania III


The Can-Am Connection vs. Bob Orton and Don Muraco w/Mr. Fuji
It was a good opener. Martel and Zenke didn’t do anything spectacular but they were quick, likable faces that worked well together as a team. A lot of the time it’s the heels that are the only ones that act like intelligent teams so it was nice to see the faces work just as smartly as the heels. Orton and Muraco were OK I guess, they let the faces get in offense which made this entertaining at least. I can’t say either of them did anything that impressive.
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Hercules w/Bobby Heenan vs. Billy Jack Haynes
I did find it highly amusing that Hercules’ gimmick is that he actually thinks he’s Hercules, as in he thinks he’s the half-god son of Zeus. There was a great looking clothesline in the match but other than that it wasn’t all that good. Both guys used the full nelson as their finisher so the match was all about locking that it. Here’s what was really funny about the match, you had these 2 roided up monsters and both were so big that they couldn’t actually lock in the full nelson because their shoulders and necks were so big. Since they couldn’t lock it in the hold looked terrible whenever they did it. The match wasn’t all bad, did I mention there was a great clothesline? Also Haynes sold pretty well and made it seem like all of the offense Hercules got in matter.



King Kong Bundy, Lord Littlebrook, and vs. Hillbilly Jim, Little Beaver, and the Haiti Kid
Bundy hitting a big splash on Little Beaver was pretty funny. Other than that I don’t really have anything good to say about the match. The minis weren’t that impressive. I’ve seen a lot of Mexican minis and they can do some amazing things. These guys appeared to be minis that had stereotypical characters and they didn’t do much. At least the ending was funny.
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“King” Harley Race w/Bobby Heenan and The Fabulous Moolah vs. The Junkyard Dog
Race sold JYD’s offense pretty well. Yeah that’s really all there is to say about this as it was like a 4 minute match with a somewhat screwy finish.
¾*


The Rougeau Brothers vs. The Dream Team w/Dino Bravo
There was almost no substance to this. Both teams worked smartly but other than crisp and quick double team moves there is nothing to this.
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Hair vs. Hair
“Adorable” Adrian Adonis w/Jimmy Hart vs.”Rowdy” Roddy Piper
Piper is usually fun to watch even if he’s in a short match. He just fights like a lunatic regardless of whether he’s the face or the heel and it’s usually great to see. Piper just beats the shit out of Adrian and Jimmy Hart for most of the match. Adonis gets some offense in with an absurd amount of help and it actually looks like he’s going to steal win for a few seconds. Piper was entertaining and the “Adorable” gimmick was turned down a few notches from the previous year’s Wrestlemania which was a plus. Adrian did show flashes of what he could really do in the ring. I would be curious to find some older matches of his from elsewhere where he gets more time in his matches.
**1/4


The Hart Foundation and Danny Davis vs. The British Bulldogs and Tito Santana
The entire match was focused around Danny Davis. Everyone wanted to see Santana or a Bulldog get in the ring with Davis. And for most of the match he avoided that. I loved how he would get in the ring for a few seconds, kick someone, and tag out again. It really pissed off the crowd as well. The Hart Foundation spent a majority of the match controlling Dynamite Kid and that was done well enough. The hot tag was great because it came when Davis was in the ring and he got the ass kicking that everyone wanted to see. Finishing stretch was chaotic and frustrating, but in a good way. Best match of the night so far, which isn’t saying much, as it told a really solid story about the faces trying to get revenge of the guy that screwed them out of their titles.
**¾


Butch Reed w/Slick vs. Koko B. Ware
Seeing Frankie was the best part of the match. He’s such a cool looking bird. The match itself was shit.
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Intercontinental Championship Match:
“Macho Man” Randy Savage(c) w/Elizabeth vs. Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat w/George “The Animal” Steele
I wish I could go and call this a classic. In fact it probably would be a classic if George Steele wasn’t involved in this at all. He added nothing positive to the match and ended up making the heel champion look like an underdog and make Steamboat look weak. The finish of this match is horrible but everything leading up to it (aside from Steele literally picking Steamboat up and throwing him into the ring to stop him from being counted out) was brilliant. Savage in control was done perfectly as he managed to get heat while keeping the match interesting with some really good offense.

The comeback was also really unique. Steamboat sends Savage over the top rope out of nowhere. Everyone in the arena suddenly knew that Steamboat was back in the match. The tide turned so badly that suddenly Savage was the one desperately trying to hold on to his title. I loved the exchange of roll ups and nearfalls as it really captured how bad both of them wanted to win.

And then there was the ref bump and everything went to hell. It’s like being served an amazing dinner and being served an amazing dessert and right before you take a bite of the dessert the waiter proceeded to spit right into your dessert. It was so bad, Steamboat is pretty much pinned and then Steele gets in and basically screws Savage out of the match. This was so good but the finishing stretch was SO bad. It’s not like Mind Games where they told an amazing story without a finish, this was a wrestling classic where the face was supposed to get the big win. Its so hard to give this a good rating when it left such a sour taste in my mouth. But I have to recognize that 80% of this match was total brilliance. Actually that seems fair, 80% of perfection….
****


Jake “The Snake” Roberts vs. The Honky Tonk Man w/Jimmy Hart
Matches that last 5 minutes should never be boring. This was shockingly boring. The Honky Tonk Man controlling the match was just the worst thing ever. Even Jake’s comeback was unexciting. And the ending was hilarious. I laughed when Jake had the match won and Hart grabbed his leg to stop the DDT. The ref was standing right there and saw all of this and did not seem to give a single shit. He didn’t even yell at Hart for getting involved. Horrible.
DUD


The Killer Bees w/”Hacksaw” Jim Duggan vs. The Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff w/Slick
Almost totally pointless. Some decent enough heel work from the Sheik and Volkoff and the Bees were OK enough as faces. I guess it wasn’t totally terrible though.
½*


WWF Championship Match:
Hulk Hogan(c) vs. Andre The Giant w/Bobby Heenan
This isn’t easy to rate. It’s one the most legendary matches and features one of wrestling’s most iconic moments. It’s the standard for Hulk Hogan wrestling monsters. And it’s a standard that I don’t think has been truly surpassed. Andre just couldn’t or didn’t do very much in the ring but he did do something special here. Hogan looked like he was in serious jeopardy from the opening bell, I loved the failed bodyslam attempt to start the match. Saying what happened after isn’t really neccesarry because we’ve all seen it. Hogan gets his ass kicked for a long time and then makes the comeback. It’s just that this time the comeback was bigger than ever and it led to a moment that can never be forgotten. The match is special. It’s not “good” when looking at a lot of the normal standards but I can’t give this match a bad rating because it was so special.
***



Savage/Steamboat was great and the main event is something that I think everyone has to make sure that they’ve see at least once. Too bad nothing else on the card is really worth seeing.
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To add to the discussion, I would highly recommend also looking into any lucha you can find if you want some exquisite mat work, cjack. Specifically, go take the time to watch El Dandy do his thing. He's not just a punchline to a Bret Hart joke; he's top of the line. Go watch these when you can:

El Dandy vs. Javier Llanes (2/22/94 and 3/11/94)
Pantera vs. Felino (12/27/94)
El Dandy vs. Negro Casas (7/5/92)
Atlantis vs. Emilio Charles (8/11/92)
El Dandy vs. Angel Azteca (6/1/90)
Negro Casas vs. Ultimo Dragon (3/19/93)

Not all of these are strictly mat clinics. A lot of these escalade into brawls. I'm on mobile now so I can't recommend too many things. But El Dandy
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Andre/Hansen is a genuine contender for the best match of the 80s for me. Vader/Hansen is very fun, very watchable stuff that wouldn't crack a top 200 of the 90s.
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wtf that's so awesome thanks man. "I'm as tough as Marciano and as sexy as Mae West" "I hate Joan Collins but love her taste in her clothes" "A butch or a bitch, I can't make up my mind". That's what I liked about Street from what I saw, how he comes off as this total fairy which kinda makes him seem like a comic heel. The crowd laughs, everyone thinks it's funny and he can't be taken too seriously or generate real heat. THEN he does something out right nasty, and that's when people start getting pissed. It's one thing to have a fairy dance around the ring, it's quite another for him to sneak punches, rake the eyes, and brutalize the beloved baby face. I'm definitely gonna need to watch some more of him.

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To add to the discussion, I would highly recommend also looking into any lucha you can find if you want some exquisite mat work, cjack. Specifically, go take the time to watch El Dandy do his thing. He's not just a punchline to a Bret Hart joke; he's top of the line. Go watch these when you can:

El Dandy vs. Javier Llanes (2/22/94 and 3/11/94)
Pantera vs. Felino (12/27/94)
El Dandy vs. Negro Casas (7/5/92)
Atlantis vs. Emilio Charles (8/11/92)
El Dandy vs. Angel Azteca (6/1/90)
Negro Casas vs. Ultimo Dragon (3/19/93)

Not all of these are strictly mat clinics. A lot of these escalade into brawls. I'm on mobile now so I can't recommend too many things. But El Dandy

That's actually my favorite style of match. Something that starts off with working good snug holds and sound mat technique, then something happens to get the baby face pissed and it turns into a heated brawl till the finish. That's why I was so ape over that COTC Steiners/MVC tag Yeah1993 pimped. It's a perfect example of that style. Great holds and sound amateur mat wrestling to start, then Dr. Death does something Rick doesn't like so Rick shoots an incredibly quick double leg and starts dropping bombs on Doc's face. Then it's an all out war until the finish. It was perfection really. I'll be checking these out for certain, thanks man.
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What is the best Ambrose vs. Rollins match in your opinion guys?
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:35 AM   #8608 (permalink)
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Their 30 minute FCW 15 championship match is definitely their best. Do yourself a favour though and watch all three of their championship matches in order. It'll show why their third match is an absolute classic.
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Then watch their Super Eight tournament match then their Florida Heavyweight title match in 2012 b/c their chemistry is so superb and everything they ever do together is fantastic.

Arguably the best chemistry in the company.

Also, holy shit @ Finlay/Callihan + Rotten/Hero links, my night sorted. Heard so much about the latter but never seen it.
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Hero/Rotten is pretty surreal tbh. Rotten actually works really well on the mat, but being IWA-MS there's a lot of rugged and physical exchanges which give the matwork a real gritty atmosphere. Whole thing feels like a really good way to communicate struggle, whilst also offering some vicious holds and counters which get across that both men can and will hurt each other. Hero sells really well as I recall when his leg gets targeted. Really great match.
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