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Old 11-26-2013, 07:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Orton seems to have a truly... different... following around these parts, and a lot of people who like him don't seem to understand why other people do not like him, and do not think he deserves what he has, and do not think he deserves anything more, and do not think he is any good at all.


For months on end, I, of all people, defended Orton as an all-round worker because I thought he was a good wrestler, but damn I was wrong about that. And basically everything too.

Call me a Bryan mark if you want, but when Orton cashed in on Bryan after Triple H delivered that pedigree I knew instantly that this marked one of the biggest abrupt declines in WWE programming in recent history. And guess what? I was right. WWE went from having a stellar card with SummerSlam, a true 8.5/10, if not higher, on the rating scale, up until that dastardly and horribly booked ending to the show. Ever since then, we have had what has been the WORST booking of the entire year.


Fuck, call me nostalgic if you want, but when Orton returned from the injuries he sustained a half a decade ago with his #UPGRADED sleeve tattoos (that look fucking horrendous on his dry ass looking unmoisturised skin), his disgusting shaved head, his monotonous, drone voice, his anal-probed-by-aliens mannerisms and slower-than-the-Big-Slow movement, I knew instantly that this marked one of the biggest abrupt declines in WWE superstar wrestling ability in recent history. And guess what? I was right. Orton went from having some really unique wrestling ability and athleticism untouched by anyone on the roster, to some generic 'evil' heel with an ugly head the size of a fucking pea.


Is Orton even a good wrestler?

The better question here would be, "Was Orton a good wrestler?", because the answer is an easy, solid "yes", as Orton was as athletic as a human could possibly be before he was plagued with constant injuries like his multitudes of separated shoulders and broken collarbone injuries... but now? In 2013?

Hell no. Orton sacrificed his athleticism, his massive vertical leap crossbodies, his marginally better dropkicks, his jumping around, his speed and his velocity for shit.

He's gone for months on end with an "injury" (which was obviously really Vince and the rest of WWE management taking him to that spot in Nevada where they brainwashed Miley Cyrus into becoming a slut; so they could change Orton into their project), and comes back all different and shit. And yea, shit. Shit. Like the most boring non-disabled-giant wrestler in the WWE today.

Sure, he's good at the executions of the manoeuvres he does, but so is Cena (bar the STF), it's not really somethin' admirable when you do it for years on end, almost every fucking day is it? You don't say the people who have worked at McDonald's for 30 hours a week every week for the last five years are admirable?


Oh but Orton is such a maniacal and calculating villain in the ring when he is a heel!

Is that even a real working style? Even a non wrestler can walk around for ten seconds thinking about the next spot he's going to do, and decide on stomping on someone fifteen times in different spots of their body. That's not even fucking calculating - Orton doesn't dissect anyone, he's not technical. It's barely psychological if anything. What's the point of stomping on someones hands and feet if you plant them in the ground with a fucking jumping cutter at the end of the match, which basically no one ever kicks out of anyway?

Look at this match, back when Orton's reactions were... oh who am I kidding, Orton can't get heel heat when he's the top heel backed by a heel corporation run by one of the greatest male in-ring heels of the last decade, and his wife, one of the greatest diva heels since the 80s. What a fucking useless failure.



My point in this match - who is the superior ring worker? Orton? No. The forty-four (that's 44, kids) year old Goldust who at this point hadn't wrestled in the WWE for a fairly extensive period. The absolute worst part about this match that was carried by Goldust technically... carried by Goldust psychologically... and carried by Goldust emotionally, was the ending. Orton has one of the most important matches he has had in over a year and he fucks the ending up so hard.
It may be a little thing (like how useful he is to the show - little), but Orton barely kicks out of Goldust's Cross Rhodes, but gets up straight away and hits an RKO "OUT OF NOWHERE!" (who'da fucking thought hey?), stalls, thinking about his next spot for five whole seconds, and picks up a pin.

That was NO SELL CITY there by someone who is supposed to be one of the best all-round ring workers in the WWE today. The man touted as the "perfect sports-entertainer". The man who can't wrestle as well as his fans or WWE like to say he can, and hasn't for at least five years, and the man who definitely can not entertain.




Orton is such a good calculating, evil psychotic heel...

No he isn't. You know who is a good semi-psychotic heel? Ambrose. I don't even like Ambrose at all and I know that he is better than Orton. Not even marginally better. Much, much better. SIZEABLY better.

You could go back to the beginning of professional wrestling and you will find so many names that are genuinely better than Orton at being the "calculating" or "evil" or "psychotic" heel. From just about any major wrestling country like the USA, Canada, Japan, and probably even Mexico.

And Orton isn't even playing a calculating, evil psychotic heel at this moment is he? No, he's playing some ridiculously paranoid whiny heel who knows he's an absolute tosser and can't win matches without some kind of backup because he's useless.

He's not even good at that! He forgets his lines, he says stupid shit on promos. Two weeks ago on Raw Triple H asked him who he thinks he's talking to and Orton apparently thinks Triple H is the WWE Champion that deserves respect.

I guess we can kind of push that to the side considering his multiple drug related suspensions and all of that shit.



...No wait, we can't.

Why does he even have a fucking job? How many times has he been suspended? Three? Four? I can't remember. I know it's enough times for any normal guy to have grounds for termination. Chris Masters was let go for being caught using steroids (who the fuck would have thought he was using steroids?) in his first run, and Carlito was supposedly let go for being 'addicted to painkillers' (although Carlito himself says he asked for his release - hence why I said 'supposedly'). Those are one strikes, Orton has taken a shit in some generic jobber lady's bag and got away with it without any form of repercussion too.

The only likely reason he still has a job is because Vince probably had some relations with Randy in the past... Or with his father, or something like that. Get tested for Hep-C Vince, you might have it just like good ol' Bob Orton. Oh and don't let Randy's infested father bleed on 'Taker again. That was out of line.


Wait... Is Orton a female sex object?


Oh hold on guys, if you've read this far maybe you're intrigued enough to continue! I doubt it, you're probably already typing out some form of red rep. (Right C2D? )
Vince's awkward obsession with Randy Orton brings up another point.


Randy is the bonafide number two guy, just behind Cena! He has been for a long time!

Honestly I don't really even care that much about who is the #2 guy because ultimately the #2 guy today is so far behind the #1 guy that contesting it is fucking pointless altogether, but realistically, the #2 guy from ~2005 to ~2009 was Batista, by far. And the #2 guy now? Punk. Without a doubt.

Who draws? Who gets the best ratings? Who do people tune in to watch? Who sells most merchandise?

I can't be fucked with the legitimate figures because this doesn't even matter to me, and even if it did, I wouldn't bother wtih the legitimate figures anyway because anyone can make an observation based on what they see at every Raw taping, and most PPV tapings.

Orton is not a realistic draw. Orton has such a small cult following as a heel, and no one even fucking cares about him as a heel. Listen to the silence he comes out to week after week as a heel. He has fucked over Bryan, he has fucked over Big Show and he has fucked over Cody Rhodes and Goldust time and time again - and only maybe once or twice did he get any boos that you can consider 'subpar' heat for a guy of his stature. It's sad that even on his best days, his heat rivals Tyson Kidd's cheers.

When you look around the arenas, how many people are wearing that God-awful RKO shirt? Or the one before it? Or the ones before that? There's just about no one. He sells no merchandise.

You know why?
Because he's not entertaining at anything as a heel, and even as a face he has the most cookie-cutter signature-based moveset the WWE has seen, again, of all non-disabled-giant wrestlers.




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Gotta love it.
Read this thread yo, you can probably see I dislike Orton just as much as I like my top guy, Cesaro, or anyone else for that matter.

I fucking looooooved it when Bryan became WWE Champion, a tear wept down my cheek. That was the happiest WWE moment of the year for me, and this Orton fella comes around and screws it up.

Now, initially I was annoyed that he was taking the championship from someone like Bryan who deserved it so much, but I thought that maybe, just maybe, this was being used to put Bryan over. And for the first few weeks it was, so it wasn't that bad. But eventually, what happened? Orton, because he is managements favourite, came out on top while Bryan is away in the mid-card at the moment feuding with the Wyatt's.

Now, there's nothing inherently wrong with Bryan feuding with the Wyatt's (no matter how much I dislike Bray), but there is a problem with WWE ditching their new face project so that they can try to salvage a consistent failure in Orton, who at the time was getting no reaction from the crowd and still isn't.


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Only delusional smarks believe that crap. Punk is not a bigger draw than Orton in any way, so I don't know where this "surpassed" crap comes from.

WWE probably felt sorry for you guys so they decided to give Punk the spotlight for a year before reverting back to the REAL #2 guy.
CM Punk sells tickets.
CM Punk sells merchandise. A fucking lot of it too.
CM Punk gets consistent reactions as a face. In his recent heel run, he didn't get booed much no matter what he did, but that's because his cult following who appreciate his efforts and skills is so large in comparison to people like Orton.

I don't know why Orton fans can't cope with him not being #2. It's not that big of an accomplishment anyway. Batista was #2 for the entire time he was in the main event scene on Raw and Smackdown. Orton was #2 when Batista left, and not really that long after that, Punk got a huge push and became #2 - surpassing Orton.

Hell, I'd even go out on a limb and say that Bryan has surpassed Orton. Bryan has a huge cult following just like Punk. Not quite as big, but it's much larger than Orton's. Bryan also sells tickets, clearly has a bigger general fanbase whether it be smarks or "casual" fans; and he sells merchandise pretty damn well too. His YES/NO shirts sold like PANCAKES and his Respect the Beard shirt was pretty popular considering most of the people wearing it didn't even have beards.


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Cena vs Orton isn't a draw?

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No, it really isn't. Maybe the first three times that they had matches. And though I didn't really want to mention this match because there are enough threads with discussion on this sole topic already, I feel that it needs to be mentioned at least once.

If this match actually is a "draw", it's not because of Orton v Cena #23; it's because it's a possible unification of the two world championships which a large portion of fans have wanted to see for almost half of a decade now. We're approaching the end of 2013, and around this time five years ago, Orton and Cena had a feud.

The main indication that this match isn't a draw, is something that seems to go over Orton fans' heads - the absolute silence at their segments.

The silence is easily the most obvious indication that people do not care about the match. If people were screaming their lungs out, cheering Cena, booing Cena, cheering Orton, booing Orton or any combination of those events, you would say "listen to the crowd, they're on their feet for the upcoming booking of the two giant WWE draws!"; but because they're silent you downplay it like it's not a proper example, when it is the biggest example of why no one cares about their umpteenth match.



Before I end this, I want to just touch up on CM Punk compared to Randy Orton again. Clearly, if the championships are unified any time in the near future, WWE are trying to make Cena v Orton this generations Austin v Rock, and it's damn obvious that's what they're planning, again, assuming if the titles are going to be unified by Cena and Orton.

The thing about that is, Orton isn't Cena's Austin. Punk is. I'm not even a big Punk mark. He's probably my #7 or something. Not my top 5, but definitely my top 10 right now.

Punk has been Cena's true nemesis, (prior to Punk, I would have said Edge was anyway) and Orton is in no way as formidable as Punk was. Punk was the only guy who had defeated Cena in more than one match, and never lost (at least one on one) and he held that distinction for over a whole year until Cena randomly defeated him to 'gain momentum' to face Rocky at WM29. Orton was basically management's "favourite" opponent for Cena; the most 'traditional' opponent, if you will, but Cena overcame that supposed hurdle faster than most guys would overcome their true rival.


"hurr durr"
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Old 11-26-2013, 07:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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In terms of having good matches, it depends on who Orton is facing. He usually has very good matches, when he faces Cody. Also, when he faces Ziggler, and when he faced RVD, recently.

But I'm just not feeling it for him anymore. Something about him isn't right. I don't fell like he's the same Orton I used to know.
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In terms of having good matches, it depends on who Orton is facing. He usually has very good matches, when he faces Cody. Also, when he faces Ziggler, and when he faced RVD, recently.

But I'm just not feeling it for him anymore. Something about him isn't right. I don't fell like he's the same Orton I used to know.
Orton is one of those guys who either goes up or down depending on is competition. Orton can't carry a match or be great with a crappy wrestler. If he is with someone great he can put on great match but when he is with someone crappy he is also crappy.

That is just Orton.
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Orton is one of those guys who either goes up or down depending on is competition. Orton can't carry a match or be great with a crappy wrestler. If he is with someone great he can put on great match but when he is with someone crappy he is also crappy.

That is just Orton.
It seems like you are trying to say that his ring work depends completely of his opponent, ergo he's a bad wrestler
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There's alot of things I could tell Orton to fuck.



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OXI, no offense, but this really needs a TL;DR.
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He has a huge catalog of good matches and I like his characters and the way he portrays them.

Fuck everything else and let people like who they fucking like without being bent out of shape over it. This seems like an attack of Orton's fan base more than a legitimate gripe with his position relative to your perception of his talent.
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Dude, it's that you just don't get Randy Orton.

You just don't get the Randy Orton character, and you just don't get his masterful psychological ring-work. It's all just lost on you unfortunately.

If you don't like Randy Orton, it's because you're a spotfest-loving vanilla midget indie mark that can't appreciate the finer art of wrestling, which Randy paints on the ring canvas like a handsome, oily, female-pantywetting, modern-day Rembrandt.
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OXI, no offense, but this really needs a TL;DR.
Nah it's like 5 minutes of reading time up til the quotes (which aren't as important).
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To be fair, Cena and Orton haven't faced each other for quite a long time. Yeah there was that period where they seemed to face each other for like every PPV between 06 and 07 but we haven't really seen much of an interaction between them since then.

Just like the last time Cena faced Taker one on one on PPV was in 2003 means that if/when they meet at Wrestlemania it will draw massively.

You forget that it's a different product with a different audience (even now only 5-6 years later) and that traditionally casual wrestling fans have a pretty short-term memory. The feud will draw. It is a main event program and your dislike for Orton's work while it may be accurate is completely subjective. For every person that dislikes his work like you or I, there will be someone who enjoys it. It's important to keep that in mind.

Edit: For the record, I don't mind Ortons ring work it's just the rest of the package that bothers me.

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