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Old 11-16-2013, 02:41 AM   #81 (permalink)
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I like punk he had some terrible promos as a baby face specially when fueding against Laurinatis... I forgot what Raw it was, but it was in Chicago he said something so random about spaceships. It had some good matches but it was fairly boring. I agree with most that it got more exciting once he turned heel. I think his Fued with Cena was the best part of his reign.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:01 AM   #82 (permalink)
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Many reasons.


1: It was really boring. Despite Punk getting assloads of tv time way over anyone else on the roster including Cena, his fueds typically just never seemed like a big event. It felt more like a strongly pushed old IC title segment than a WWE title segment, only with head scratchingly long promos that they basically kept repeating. Because Punk doesn't have tremendous charisma (yes, imo), his long promos just tended to drag on and not entertain. Even worse, that was half of his tv time. Standing in the ring. . .just. . .talking. About the same things he always talks about. Punk really never had anything new to say unless he got to shoot on someone with real life info (something almost no other wrestler ever gets to do).

2: It was way too predictable. Just about everyone who wasn't a "wrist cutter" type mark could determine who was going to win every fued. There was only a couple times it seemed like he might lose, and that was merely because he was facing Cena whom we expected wasn't going to continue losing his fueds. If you're predicting a PPV card, penciling in Punk for a win at the top was pretty much always your safest bet.

3: It went on way too long. Had it been half as long, it wouldn't get shat upon nearly as much (if at all!). All the length did was exacerbate how boring and predictable it was. Of course, it should have ended after about 3-4 months imo, and he should have regained it later in the year to lead up to RR, not borishly retain the entire time.

4: It didn't meet expectations. Most people have probably forgotten this, but Punk's push started on the promise of change and difference. The only thing that changed was the name on the push at the top of the show and the tone of the promos, while the length of the promos were increased by threefold and the energy in the matches decreased by about 40%.

Instead of being the answer to Cena, in the end he was just an even worse version of what Cena was. The guy who's always on the title or fighting for it, and always winning his fueds and promos to borishly predictable degrees.

I'd say those are the major 4 reasons, and they all tie in together and feed off of eachother to make an overall shit sandwich of a reign. Worst long reign imo since Diesel's. Of course, if you're a Punk fan, you probably loved it since you got to see your guy win all the time. Everyone else? Yeah, odds are they found it boring as hell too.
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Not everybody likes CM Punk, why can't some people on this forum comprehend that? Jeez...
I didn't say everyone has to like him. I was just wondering why a lot of people including some CM Punk fans didn't like his title reign.
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Many reasons.


1: It was really boring. Despite Punk getting assloads of tv time way over anyone else on the roster including Cena, his fueds typically just never seemed like a big event. It felt more like a strongly pushed old IC title segment than a WWE title segment, only with head scratchingly long promos that they basically kept repeating. Because Punk doesn't have tremendous charisma (yes, imo), his long promos just tended to drag on and not entertain. Even worse, that was half of his tv time. Standing in the ring. . .just. . .talking. About the same things he always talks about. Punk really never had anything new to say unless he got to shoot on someone with real life info (something almost no other wrestler ever gets to do).

2: It was way too predictable. Just about everyone who wasn't a "wrist cutter" type mark could determine who was going to win every fued. There was only a couple times it seemed like he might lose, and that was merely because he was facing Cena whom we expected wasn't going to continue losing his fueds. If you're predicting a PPV card, penciling in Punk for a win at the top was pretty much always your safest bet.

3: It went on way too long. Had it been half as long, it wouldn't get shat upon nearly as much (if at all!). All the length did was exacerbate how boring and predictable it was. Of course, it should have ended after about 3-4 months imo, and he should have regained it later in the year to lead up to RR, not borishly retain the entire time.

4: It didn't meet expectations. Most people have probably forgotten this, but Punk's push started on the promise of change and difference. The only thing that changed was the name on the push at the top of the show and the tone of the promos, while the length of the promos were increased by threefold and the energy in the matches decreased by about 40%.

Instead of being the answer to Cena, in the end he was just an even worse version of what Cena was. The guy who's always on the title or fighting for it, and always winning his fueds and promos to borishly predictable degrees.

I'd say those are the major 4 reasons, and they all tie in together and feed off of eachother to make an overall shit sandwich of a reign. Worst long reign imo since Diesel's. Of course, if you're a Punk fan, you probably loved it since you got to see your guy win all the time. Everyone else? Yeah, odds are they found it boring as hell too.
You make it sound like Punk got his long reign because of his ego, more like WWE or The Rock (who people wants to give credit to) wanted Punk to be the longest champ. Predictability when facing midcarders is obviously not his fault since no way guys like Ziggler, Jericho and Bryan deserve to win the title in his hottest time of his career. He lost a lot already and WWE plan was to have a long reign, if you're a casual fan you wouldn't know when he will lose it since they don't read rumors/spoilers like you do. To the casual people thought he will lose against Cena and Ryback. Despite you saying he got shit load of air time when it doesn't really matter, he had great segments with Jericho, Foley, JR, Bryan, Cena, Vince, Lawler, Flair, Rock, etc. And ever since he turned heel it was entertaining. So he didn't really need to shoot he did his best with what he had. His booking sucked. His matches in this reign is what stands out the most since it's one of the top in ring title reign.
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You make it sound like Punk got his long reign because of his ego, more like WWE or The Rock (who people wants to give credit to) wanted Punk to be the longest champ. Predictability when facing midcarders is obviously not his fault since no way guys like Ziggler, Jericho and Bryan deserve to win the title in his hottest time of his career. He lost a lot already and WWE plan was to have a long reign, if you're a casual fan you wouldn't know when he will lose it since they don't read rumors/spoilers like you do. To the casual people thought he will lose against Cena and Ryback. Despite you saying he got shit load of air time when it doesn't really matter, he had great segments with Jericho, Foley, JR, Bryan, Cena, Vince, Lawler, Flair, Rock, etc. And ever since he turned heel it was entertaining. So he didn't really need to shoot he did his best with what he had. His booking sucked. His matches in this reign is what stands out the most since it's one of the top in ring title reign.
Yes, it was ego because ask yourself this: Who did Punk put over during that reign? Who gained? Punk himself. . .that's it. And this directly followed him gaining popularity by saying he wanted the guys who weren't getting a fair shake to get their shot. None of them did besides himself. So in the end, it was all about him both in kayfabe and in real life. Even when Punk dropped the title, they booked that fued and especially the match WAYYYYYYYYYY in favor of CM Punk. They booked The Rock like a random jobber until the final two minutes. The Rock chose that? Not CM Punk? I don't think so. Punk's reign may have been mildly extended because of Rock, but it was already longer than it should have been before he presumably (and allegedly) said anything about it.

What spoilers? The only spoilers there are are for Smackdown where Punk didn't wrestle. There are no PPV or fued spoilers on the internet to find. If you're referring to that phony dolphins guy, he only started to post that stuff after Punk's reign ended as far as I know.

I also don't read dirtsheets (which are typically purely speculative anyway). Punk's fued outcomes were just that obvious based on how strong WWE booked him and how weak WWE booked his opponent (to make Punk appear that much more superior).

The only times Punk even seemed to have a chance of losing were because of our own pre-judgements altering our perceptions; which were his matches against Cena. We figured well it's Cena, Punk's reign has gone on awhile, it must be ending now right? Aside from those, the reason Punk's reign was so predictable was because of how it started. His first 3-4 matches were "beating the odds", practically in handicap matches. If he doesn't lose there, he clearly isn't losing against a single opponent whom he's booked to completely dominate.

I agree that his booking sucked, but most likely for a different reason than you. I think his booking was bad because he was booked far too strongly while his opponents were booked far too weakly. His fued with Ryback is practically the only exception, and of course, that's the fued Punkfans hated the most at the time. Not coincidently either.

Punk was booked strong as fuck. He just couldn't make it interesting since he doesn't have Cena-level charisma. Cena pretty makes clipping his fingernails seem like a major event. The only things Punk ever did that seemed major events were title matches (major by itself), and breaking the 4th wall (also major by itself). He didn't make much in between that interesting. And I'm sorry, but that isn't the fault of the booking. He got more air time and stronger booking than anyone else on the roster, it's no excuse for why he didn't look good.
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I thought it was pretty good. Match quality wise it had awesome Ziggler, Henry, Cena, Jericho, Bryan & Kane matches. Promo wise I really enjoyed the stuff with Jericho, Cena, Rock and Heyman. I didn't love the Big Johnny stuff but it was entertaining at times. I think booking got a tad lazy around October though. They sort of coasted. Plus it ended on a sour note with that dreadful Rock/Punk RR match.

I can see why some dislike it, but I considered it pretty damn good.
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Most people here want a individual pushed, then when they are for some reason they cannot stand them, case in point everyone wanted Daniel Bryan pushed. When he got the push, everyone said he could not sell pay per views and was boring. All in all we are just fickel I guess.
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Most people here want a individual pushed, then when they are for some reason they cannot stand them, case in point everyone wanted Daniel Bryan pushed. When he got the push, everyone said he could not sell pay per views and was boring. All in all we are just fickel I guess.
I think it could also be a case of people wanting someone pushed, but the storyline that's pushing them being lame turns them off.
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At first, he was becoming Mini-Cena and it was getting worrisome.

But the feud with Jericho was good. I liked the feud and matches with Bryan, though some of the stuff with AJ on TV was VERY awkward. And then he turned heel and was all super awesome.
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Quality matches and compelling segments doesn't equal excellent programming in the minds of many fans allegedly.

Punk's title reign was the only thing that held the company together quality wise throughout 2012 while we were dealing with a whole host of shitty and boring storylines. The natural progression and evolution of Punk's character from being the underdog people's champion to a paranoid mess was a beautiful story arc and so was the many episodic feuds that Punk was involved in around that time period.

The matches were also fucking outstanding, and we could count on Punk to deliver a great performance nearly weekly. Not to mention that Punk pretty much carried the Punk-Rock feud to perfection as well despite Rock's lackluster (and by lackluster, I mean shitty) efforts throughout the feud and especially the culminating match.

So yeah, haters gonna hate that their favorite wrestler will never have that success. Like it or not, the reign has kayfabe cemented Punk as an all time great on that 2nd/3rd tier with the likes of Batista. He IS this era's Batista actually, the right hand man to Cena who can be given the ball from time to time to give the company more value, except Punk destroys all in the quality department.

His work on the stick in early 2013? DAMN. Ballin' on a whole different court.

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