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Old Thread: http://www.wrestlingforum.com/general-wwe/907817-official-dvd-match-show-discussion-thread.html

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I AIN'T DONE YET MOTHERFUKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


Vladimir Kozlov Vs Ezekiel Jackson - ECW 05/01/2010

Let's hope THIS is the slugfest I was hoping their last match would be!

Well not so much a slugfest. Jackson is targeting the leg of Vlad, no doubt advice from Regal on the outside who will have advised Jackson to target a limb rather than go head to head with a guy as strong as Vladimir. Smart stuff and shows how good it is to have Regal on your side.

Kozlov then powers out and starts mauling Jackson while ignoring the leg stuff except for the odd shake here and there, which looks terrible tbh lol. Then Jackson MURDERS him with a clothesline :mark:.

Finisher from Zeke and this is done. Better than their previous match lol, but still not that good. LET THEM PUNCH EACH OTHER IN THE FACE DAMMIT.

Rating: *

CM Punk Vs Mark Henry - ECW 05/01/2010

Heel Punk Vs Face Henry. Not exactly the best set up, but hey, I'm not complaining that much!

Henry absolutely POWERING out of a waist lock at the start was :mark:. Punk gets a bunch of kicks in, then Henry grabs his leg and OH SHIT Punk is incredible as he desperately tries to escape while Henry holds on to the leg!!!

The power of Henry allows him to dominate the early going, but the cunning of Punk allow him to get in control. I love how they make Punk hitting a basic move like a neckbreaker seem like a HUGE struggle because of the sheer size and strength of Henry.

Damn, Henry takes on hell of a fucking bump off a kick, while he was on his knees! A near fall from it, but then as Punk starts throwing more kicks, Henry just gets MAD and everyone on the planet is glad that they aren't CM Punk!

Finish sees Gallows hit a ROUNDHOUSE KICK on Henry from the apron, which sends Henry right into a roundhouse kick from Punk! CM Punk is the finale winner of the Homecoming tournament to enter the battle royal next week!

Decent stuff. Henry as a heel and Punk as a face is where their real chemistry is, but they do a good job here anyway.

Rating: **1/2

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Fine, I'll add THE CAL SCALE here. Stop bugging me about it now, ok? Ok.

The Cal Scale

NO = -1
DUD-* = 0
*1/4-** = 0.5
**1/4-**3/4 = 1
***-***1/4 = 2
***1/2 = 3
***3/4 = 4
**** = 5
****1/4 = 6
****1/2 = 7
****3/4 = 8
***** = 9
 
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#496 ·
I guess I would like it more than most because I didn't have any hype before it (also the fact I'd heard it was sucky from just about everyone helped; I think sterling was the only one who said it was good). I like those guys a lot at their best but I'd hardly expect them to put on a really GREAT match together. Maybe it's just me but I thought the Rock was phenomenal in chunks of it. Probably just me. EVERYONE SEEMS TO HATE HIM NOW.

OOOOH I'm remembering more of Swagger/Orton as I type. If only I could do the same for HHH/Sheamus. Probably shouldn't have been fiddling with the 3DS while it was on.
 
#499 ·
Finally got to the Faces of Fear vs Jericho/Eddie Tag Hayley reccomended earlier. That was a fun tag, Jericho plays the FIP for the most part while Barbarian and MENG take turns delivering that punishing offense. Eddie gets the smoking hot tag, clears house, but Malenko comes in the end and screws Eddie costing them the match. Good stuff all around ***1/4
 
#500 ·
Taker/Hardy is great. That match also features some memorable JR sound bytes. "Climb the ladder, kid! Make yourself famous!"

I think I'm a hardcore JR mark. Honestly can't find anything he does wrong. He doesn't make stupid jokes, didn't talk during GOAT entrances. Knew the business like none other, and communicated the ring psychology unlike Cole. "Oh, great throw" or "so and so just planted so and so."
 
#501 ·
Yes! That was something I wanted to mention in my post, but forgot it due to wanting to address the Brock stuff. See how easily I get side-tracked? :lol

But yeah, that was almost chill-inducing. Perfect commentary at that point, that really helped make the moment seem special.
 
#505 ·
Top ten HIAC matches, per WWE.com:

10. DX vs ShowMahons - Unforgiven 2006
9. Shawn/Trips - Badd Blood 2004
8. Brock/Taker - No Mercy 2002
7. Batista/Trips - Vengeance 2005
6. Taker/Edge - Summerslam 2008
5. Taker/Mankind - King of the Ring 1998
4. 6 Man - Armageddon 2000
3. Taker/Trips - WM 28
2. HBK/Taker - Badd Blood 1997
1. Trips/Foley - No Way Out 2000
My opinion: Shawn/Trips is not top 10 by any means. Brock/Taker is top 5 easily. Taker/Mankind is 7th, at best. Batista/Trips is top 3. 6 man would barely make my top 10. Shawn/Taker should be first. Trips/Foley should be 2.
 
#506 ·
I really want them to scrap the HIAC PPV. I hate the fact that instead of the right feud getting a HIAC to whatever is happening in October getting a HIAC. Same goes for every other themed PPV other than maybe EC/MITB, although I'd rather MITB be at Mania.
 
#508 ·
Damn just realized Trips is on that list 6 times, which is probably 2 too many. Maybe 3 depending on where the Armageddon 6 man falls on people respective lists., which I still really dig, but not sure if it's a top 10 match.

Also, just realized that Taker/Orton isn't on that list. Also, surely Batista/Taker is better than Shawn/Trips. Orton/Sheamus is certainly better than Shawn/Trips. Cena/Punk/Del Rio shits all over Shawn/Trips.

I guess since it's 45 minutes long and uses a bunch of weapons, it's automatically a classic.
 
#509 ·
Lol at Shawn/HHH being on the list. I'm a fan of both, but that match and their 3SoH are the stuff of nightmares.

Just watched some Daniel Bryan and Kane and/or Orton against Shield matches. Always good stuff. IMO the Payback tag is underrated. Yeah, Orton's FIP segment drags a bit with the rest holds, but the hot tag to Bryan rules and the last few minutes are really fun.
 
#510 ·
The WeAreProWrestling guy rates the Trips/Shawn HIAC at ****3/4 :lol: He claims "shitting over the match because of its lenght is stupid, because it's such a great match" without any kind of argument as to why is it. To that argument, I call BS because the lenght is EXACTLY the biggest issue about it. About 20 minutes too long. They could've done all the 'epic' shit they did in half the time. It's a solid match imo, with some convincing hate between the two and some cool spots but Jesus the Elektra film bothered me less in terms of "how fucking long is this going to last".

Hell RKNo/Shield matches were all good, be it the 2-on-2 (including the underrated RKNo/Shield @ Payback), be it 3-on-3. People tend to rate the Raw match higher, but imo the Smackdown one was so much superior. Not only for three big feelgood moments of it being the blow-off of the Hell No/Shield feud, Bryan finally beating the Shield (despite his 1-on-1 victories over them before) and the Shield's first 3-on-3 loss, but the whole match couldn't have been better structured and paced. Plus, DAT ending sequence :mark: Hell RKNo/Shield from Raw got ***1/2, Smackdown got **** in my view.
 
#519 ·
Wow it's really weird that I actually just watched that specific match yesterday. It was mentioned in an article on 411mania. Very good match.

Would have been nice if that video went up on the WWE channel a earlier, as the one I was watching wasn't the greatest quality.
 
#514 ·
WWE put Kane vs Mankind HiaC match on their YT channel too. God, that was an awful bout
 
#517 ·
***1/2 for the 8 man tag match from last night. Bryan was just awesome
 
#518 ·
Royal Rumble 2002 review
Match # 1: the Dudley’s vs Spike Dudley and Tazz ( tag team titles)

Should be a solid match here, all 4 can go in the ring although Tazz was a little old here, as he would be on SD commentary in like 6 months. Best thing about this match was that it never felt boring, the match was going at a really good pace that helped me keep my interest, which can be hard at times. Anyway really solid opening tag, its not memorable by any means, and doesn’t live up to the Dudleys/Edge and Christian opening match from one year before, but it kept me entertained. ** ¾*

CAL SCALE: 1

Match # 2: William Regal vs Edge( IC title)

This should be :mark:. Both guys are very different but are both excellent workers. Fun match, but once again nothing to write home about. Match kind of dragged on somewhat and maybe 5 or so minutes long but other than that nothing to complain about. These two couldn’t have put on a better match and really stole the show in terms of surprising matches. Some Regal marks will like this just because its regal getting a victory in a title match on PPV but Regal’s GOAT facial expressions might be better than the match itself, also nice to see him get a title. *** ½*

CAL SCALE: 3

Match # 3: Jazz vs Trish stratus

Fuck it no way I don’t feel like watching shitty divas :p. NO

CAL SCALE -1

Match # 4: Ric Flair vs Mr. McMahon

Could be SOO shitty, or it could be really fun as Vince is so up and down in the ring. Kind of a waste of Flair but its whatever, at least it made sense with the co-owner storyline. Which might have been shitty in its own right for all I know, I’m just here for the match :lol. This has the stip of a street fight and its pretty cool that they use that stip to its full advantage as this is a pretty good hardcore brawl with shit like trashcans and chairs being used. Vince heelin it up with Ric’s family was pretty awesome too, another reason I hope he comes back as a heel and not a face, man is one of the GOAT heels. Anyways crowd was really into this one and rightfully so as this was awesome hardcore fighting, especially for Vince being involved. *** ½*

CAL SCALE: 3

Match # 5: Chris Jericho vs the Rock (undisputed title)

The first title defense in the undisputed title’s brief history, but apparently this is a good match, so pretty high expectations going in. This was a pretty good match, These two seemed to click really well, Jericho is a great heel in this match and conversely the rock is a great face a, as is usual. Crowd also really into this match compared to the first two matches for which they were pretty dead for. Beautiful match, might not be MOTN because of how awesome the rumble usually is. A lot of good finisher kick outs and the Rock’s RB on the ref was pretty comical when he realized it cost him the match :lol. Jericho wins dirty via roll up with feet on the ropes. But awesome match! ****

CAL SCALE: 5

Match # 6: THE ROYAL RUMBLE MATCH!

I’m a huge rumble mark, I even enjoy the 2013 and 2012 rumble even though the rest of those shows were shit, because IDGAF :p. Man, this is gonna be a long ass rumble, we are only halfway through the show! Rikishi starts out, interesting because he was number 30 the year before. Next out is GOLDUST, who I think is making his return? Fuck HHH, HE should win this! Bossman is out at # 3 and I’m still paying attention to Goldie only, as he is the only one I give a shit about. Really long pauses between entrances, I think this was 2 minutes, WAY too long. Rikishi does some gross stuff with his ass and thankfully eliminates Bossman, who sucks shit :p. Bradshaw and Lance Storm come out at 4 &5 and its currently Goldie, Rikishi, Bradshaw, and Storm after 5 men.

Al Snow comes out at #6 to a surprisingly loud pop, isn’t he a jobber? Another washed up star in Billy Gunn comes out at 7 and star power is starting to decrease fast, as its all midcard guys right now. Bradshaw is out and its Snow, Gunn, Rikishi, and Goldie. TAKER is out at 8 and all these guys will probably be buried and get eliminated :lol. Yep, he does and after 8 men come in its just taker left in the ring, well at least we have a legit Main guy now! Matt Hardy and Lita are out next at 9 and they actually have a fun little brawl for 2 minutes before Jeff Hardy comes out at 10! JR says every number I a random and even the marks know that’s not true :lol. Taker eliminates them both and after 10 its still just taker.

Maven is out at 11 and a squash is inevitable. Lita is still out here and Matt and Jeff rejoin just to be dicks I guess. WAIT WHAT THE FUCK MAVEN ELIMINATED MAVEN!! What an awesome moment! Well Taker just beats the shit out of him and Mavens moment in the sun is over. Christian is out at 12 with his terrible fucking music that goes: CHRISTIANNNN! In some shitty opra voice. So its him and Scotty 2 hotty while Maven is still getting the shit beat out of him :lol. HEY! DDP is out at 14 which is fun! This was prolly DDP’s only rumble right? Yeah that makes sense. DDP eliminates Scotty while Chuck comes in Irrelevantly at 15.

Nothing happens for 2 minutes until the godfather comes out! With all his hos! Man, he has like 15 of them! :lol. He takes like 5 minutes to get to the ring as he spends the time dancing with the hos. Alert is in after that at 17 and fuck its jobber/midard central here. Must mean that Austin or trips will come in soon, thank god. Godfather eliminates Albert quickly and even though he is a joke now, he always was I guess :p. Godfather is eliminated next and we’re down to Christian and Chuck as Perry Saturn comes in at 19, and man this is going south quick, I need a non-midcard guy! YES! AUSTIN IS IN at 20! Ring to be cleared shortly!

Yep Austin clears the ring and gloats for a little bit. Until Val Venis comes out! He’ll stop Austin right? Probably not haha. Test is out at 22 and they try to put up a fight but don’t, shocker there. Both are out while Austin waits for # 23 to come out. Trips is coming out at 23 and this is the guy that wins it all tonight, but wait we don’t know that yet! Austin and Haitch brawl until HURRICANE comes out at 24 and attempts to take on the two biggest guys in the company….unsuccessfully FAROOQ is out at 25.
Farooq Is also out quickly so with only 5 guys left to enter there is only Austin and HHH and MR PERFECT is out! HE SHOULD WIN!!! Luckily he does get sacrificed by the burying machine. ANGLE comes in at 28 and Big Show is out at 29. Kane is out at 30 so we’re down to the final 6 guys. It eventually comes down to HHH and Angle before HHH wins his only rumble, solid ending to a solid PPV.
This was a great rumble, my 5th favorite all time now. **** ½*

CAL SCALE: 7

TOTAL CALN SCALE: 18

CURRENT: PPV MOTY: Kurt angle and Chris Benoit vs Los Gurreros( rebellion)

CURRENT PPV RANKINGS
1: rebellion(20)
2: The Royal rumble(18)
3: Unforgiven(15)
4: Backlash(11.5)
 
#522 ·
Foley vs Trips HIAC isn't even THAT grand. that's one of those matches I've always liked, yet never loved. Doesn't come close to their Street Fight. However, I won't deny the general chemistry among the two that remains a constant. Not one of my personal favorite HIAC matches.

Kane vs Mankind HIAC is good. Better than the average match from 1998.
 
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