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Old 05-08-2013, 09:13 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Good to see the threequel thread starting off strong.

At the end of the previous thread I posted that I'd write a little about Kill List, so here we go:

*Don't read ahead if you haven't seen the film, big spoilers are coming.*

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I went into this blind so I wasn't exactly sure what to expect, only knowing that the film mixed a few genres together. The opening third of the film with the dinner party is just wonderful. It's got to be one of the post realistic portrayals of a marriage I've seen on film. The dialogue between Shel and Jay is exactly what you'd expect from a couple that clearly have some problems but clearly do care about each other deep down. The scenes where they're screaming at each other constantly are undeniably intense and it really does feel like you're watching two real people genuinely argue on film. The dinner scene adds to their anger as they try and stay civil for their guests but bit by bit they pick at each other until Jay finally snaps in a fit of rage. Most films would keep the two characters at each other's throats throughout trying to show that they've drifted apart over the years and have developed a hate for each other, but minutes later after some wine has been opened they're laughing and hugging each other again, again showing that they do truly care about each other but various other problems have stressed them over the years to the point where they both feel they have to lash out. Of course at this point I wasn't sure about Jay's 'career' or what was lined up. Obviously Shel kept mentioning that Jay hadn't supported the family for eight months and as the film goes on it becomes clear that a 'job' in Kiev went mightily wrong and mentally scarred Jay. Gal mentions later in the film that he'd never done anything 'that bad'. It's great storytelling, revealing what had actually happened in Kiev probably would have diminished the effect of it, but leaving it up in the air making the audience guess makes it so much more intriguing and you wonder how bad it could have been and what went wrong.

That then leads to 'The Client' hiring both Jay and Gal for a job. Looking back now all the pieces add up superbly and you can see everything about the cult already. Clearly Jay has been targeted and chosen already, with Fiona then getting close to Gal to find out more about Jay, even taking the tissue with his blood on. Of course at the time of watching it's a huge stretch to put those pieces together, obviously Fiona marking the back of the mirror and taking the tissue was strange but there's no way anyone would link that with some sort of cult. Jay and Gal then take out the first two men on the list and more mysteries arise, finding notes on their Kiev mission and both men they're there to kill seeming thankful to see Jay. Obviously they are all part of the cult and being killed by Jay is seen as some sort of honour. Then of course we get the scene with the dcotor when Jay goes and gets his hand examined, and now things are getting strange. It's not his usual doctor and he pretty much speaks in code. Also around this time in the hotel, Jay looks out the window and sees Fiona outside in a white gown waving to him. She was probably tracking him and Gal but to make herself visible to Jay was strange but it seemed to perhaps be some sort of foreshadowing for later events. Her wearing white is traditionally a brides colour. At this point I was trying to piece everything together but a lot of stuff was still left up in the air but I was enjoying it so much that I just let it play out without thinking too much about it.

Now we get to the final name on the list which is apparently an MP, but as Jay and Gal are camped out waiting they see the cult in the forest and things now get weird. A human sacrifice happens before Jay takes a few shots at some of the members before being chased away. One thing I forgot to mention was clearly 'The Client' wanted Jay because of his personality. He has a temper and he was pushed into this deal by Gal and his wife, indicating that he can be manipulated. Gal is then killed (interestingly he thanks Jay for putting him out of his misery, much like the other two men that were killed did. Though I don't think Gal was in on the conspiracy it's certainly intriguing). Jay flees and he and Shel defend the cottage before both are captured (off screen). When it got to 'The Hunchback' and Jay having to fight this 'thing' I actually did see the ending coming, but that didn't make it any less of a shock. When it happened I did actually recall someone mentioning that the ending was similar to 'A Serbian Film' and they were dead right. Now that Jay has killed his wife and son, he's completely free to forget the past and not worry about the future as the cultist doctor told him. After just looking it up it seems the cult is probably Pagan, and they don't believe in an afterlife so naturally they consider his future with his family to be over (Jay was shown to be an atheist too I believe). So the cult are now free to mold Jay into one of them. There was also a bride with thorns over her face at the final ritual, so likely she has something to do with it. He gets a crown placed over his head perhaps indicating he is now the king of this cult. I'm not sure, it's a great ending and I love how it just ends right there with the symbol and 'KILL LIST'. I'm a big fan of non-happy endings (not sure why) and this is one of the best. Awesome film.
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Is that film quality? Reading about the premise on IMDB and I'm feeling iffy on it.
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You should watch it Cody! It's really awesome. It's not really how it sounds in the premise if that makes sense.
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More than meets the eye, eh?

I can give it a go.
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Exactly. There's quite a few people in here that said it was great before I watched it so there's bound to be some discussion on it.
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Sweet nectar.

I'm just glad I haven't felt the wrath from you for slightly putting down The Crow in the last thread.

The concept there is brilliant I have to say. Its...the execution. That's the problem for me. Something about it interests me, I watch it, and it falls flat.
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http://youtu.be/9Zv9fgSrP-0

Damn, this movie seems pretty awesome
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Wow, those are some superb thoughts on Kill List ABH. It's an insane flick, but the atmosphere really lends itself well to this sort of thing. It's rare nowdays to find psychological flicks that dare be this unique and enigmatic while having tons of stuff to decode from each scene that becomes more and more apparent the more you think back on it after it's done. The "Wicker" stuff seemed to turn people off from it based on some reviews i've seen, but if you pay attention to the symbolism from the start, it builds up to that and makes alot of sense. This is one of those movies that makes you want to watch it a second time, not just due to the confusion, but to see how everything connects once you know the outcome.


@Cody. Yeah poor Rose was hangin' in the Garage :/ (such a terrible waste ). Damn good BBQ? Best in Texas i'd say
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threequel thread should have had a more creative title ala the footie thread.

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Wait, does that make me "the Bad" and Cody "the Ugly"? Guess he may be the guy under the El Generico mask after all.:generico
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