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Well am I wrong Bubz?
I suppose you're right that this thread could be seen as a circlejerk, yeah although I've never seen it that way but I know what you mean. It isn't all about art films though you silly goose.

As far as Cody jerking off I just assumed that he was constantly doing it no matter what was happening.
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You're not wrong, fella.

Btw, I finished both Before Sunset & Before Midnight over the last few hours b/c I was heavily engrossed by the story & characters so I was curious to scope out your review for BM and see what you thought about it. I have to repost it b/c it's SCARY how 100% I feel about everything - seriously every fucking thing - you managed to jot down. I'm circle jerkin hard here.

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Oh yeah, Cody, you were saying the other day about how something can totally capture you in it's emotions but it rarely happens, you mentioned Titanic etc. Well, that's just happened to me...

my Before Midnight review (C&P from another place) for anyone who fucking cares...

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Before Midnight (2013)

So I went in to this film with very high expectations, having thought the first was great and adoring the second, I was ready for another fun and moving instalment in the lives of these two loveable, realistic characters. This turned out to be so much more.

This time, the film and it’s amazing characters deal with long term commitment. This obviously isn’t something that hasn’t been done before in films, but it’s never been done with such heart and realism. While the other two movies seemed like fairytales, this is much more grounded in reality and drama, and it hits us hard because we’ve grown to love and root for these two people, never have I wanted anyone to succeed more than this.

Something else that sets it apart from the others is the introduction of new characters to give different perspectives on things, on life and on relationships. We’ve seen Jesse and Celine discuss their thoughts on the world and each other, now we see other people in their lives and how they effect their views and how they are impacted by new opinions and view points. It’s amazing to watch these characters develop, how they’re discussions remain similar to 18 years ago, their questions are the same, but their answers are different. It’s thought provoking and incredibly sad on occasions.

It still feels like we are intruding on their lives, on their private and intimate conversations, but here it’s multiplied because we’ve never seen them like this, we’ve never seen them be so grounded in reality, dealing with these types of situations and dilemmas. They argue and we understand why, anyone would probably react the same way they do In the heat of the moment, but I was frustrated at both of them, I wanted to tell them to stop in the middle of the cinema, I wanted to calm them down. That’s how much I feel for these characters, how much I want them to rise above everything that stands in their way.

It’s not all like that though. There’s just as much in here that gave me hope. They still share those moments of pure chemistry with each other that made them fall in love in the first place. They still share that banter, they still laugh together and there’s still moments that made me smile like an idiot throughout. It all feels so real, even the way the conversation still flows from one thing to another like it used to.

It’s genuinely laugh out loud funny on occasions too, more so than it’s predecessors. But this isn’t a comedy, the funny moments stem purely from the banter and the comments they make towards each other, just like it would if we were to banter with our friends or partners. It all feels improvised and like it’s really happening right there in front of us. These characters are so relatable and loveable and genuine, that it really did hit me hard when it all seems to be fading away.

The final half an hour is so compelling to watch. I was willing them to survive. I think there were 3 or 4 moments in which my eyes welled up with tears, some out of sadness, some out of happiness. There was a moment I was sure it was going to end on and I was praying that it didn’t. The final 10 minutes is genuinely one of the most emotional rides I’ve ever been taken on while watching a film. It was stunning.

I haven’t mentioned the other aspects that make the film so great either. The score is beautiful and the cinematography is fantastic, only adding to the feelings and emotions. The scenes are much like the other two, long takes that follow the characters as they walk, drive, sit and talk. Yes, it’s another movie of two people talking, but it’s more compelling and gripping than most action movies or blockbusters could ever dream of being. You can have your explosions, your big action set pieces or your long, twisting plots, but put two actors and characters in front of the camera like this and just let the magic happen, and it’s more rewarding than anything.

The acting is of such a high quality I can’t think of much better, but it has to be of that standard to do what the director and the stars are aiming to do. Ethan Hawke is probably the most underrated actor in Hollywood, Julie Delpy is amazing too, she’s loveable and funny and witty, but she has moments that make us feel frustrated at her character, the same with Hawke. These moments only hit home the fact that they are only human, they are living in a real world and they are dealing with real situations that we haven’t seen them do before. That part of it is portrayed to absolute perfection in the final act. They don’t do anything we wouldn’t do, they don’t say anything we wouldn’t say and they have to learn to deal with that part of life.

By the end of the film, I was so taken back emotionally, I felt exhausted. This is the type of film I wait for every year to be released, but it rarely comes. This is the type of film that I feel can be cherished for years and years to come by anyone who can relate to the characters and what the film is saying. Life is real, it isn’t perfect, but we do our best to make it that way. True love doesn’t just go away.

Again, this isn’t breaking any new ground in regards to it’s subject matter, but I’ve never seen it done better, with better characters, more heart, more realism and so much emotion. This is by far my favourite film of it’s genre, and honestly feels like one of the best love stories ever told. At the end, I had tears in my eyes, I wanted to cheer, I couldn’t stop smiling. A wonderful, uplifting, life affirming movie. Perfect, and the best movie of the year by an astonishingly high margin for me. A special, special film.

10/10


Basically it's fucking amazing and beautiful and wonderful and it's my best film of the year by a ridiculous amount, will probably stay there to.
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This portion you wrote is the one that I felt the strongest about too: "I was frustrated at both of them, I wanted to tell them to stop in the middle of the cinema, I wanted to calm them down. That’s how much I feel for these characters, how much I want them to rise above everything that stands in their way."

It was all of that frustration and emotion pouring out of me watching that left me so drained. Kept wanting to say to them "why?? why dig so deep with your gripes that you could ruin the love you share?" Celine was a VERY frustrating character during a large portion of this, which was a just fabulous progression in the sense of realism & how she would have probably progressed from where she was as the young girl we originally saw her as, the way she grew into her 30's, the second time we saw her, etc. Celine was always a passionate character; eventually to the point where it made the character explode off screen and into a side we only saw subtle glimpses at before. She finally decided to give that love a chance. She was feeling like it might have backfired. So naturally she reacted in a massive fit of emotion. Stunning performance by Delpy. Hawke himself too. Really now, how isn't he "bigger" when you think about it? He was utterly phenomenal in all three films. Before Midnight was something else. It didn't quite give me that amazingly ultimate perfect feel good vibe after watching Before Sunrise did, but that's b/c they were both way different from each other. The first was purely about the magic of finding new love. Where as the final was all about the gritty realism that comes following it. That's where it succeeded this time around.

I don't mean to snub Before Sunset. That one equally fit just as well as the other two. It was so interesting b/c of the way it was short on the whole, and very subtle for the entire duration. About halfway into the movie I was wondering why the two weren't being passionate with each other. It was fun, lighthearted, and jokes were cracked non-stop, but neither were pressing on the falling in love nine years earlier issue. Until the fact is revealed that Jesse was married with a son & Celine had a boyfriend of her own. Then once the two made it onto the tour boat, that's when things FINALLY hit their peak. Tremendous story building process. Everything these movies gave off were so original. You got the "happy ending" aspect at times without it being nearly close of cliche. No cookie cutter type deals among the three. Especially on the way Before Sunset finishes. It leaves you to ponder. (which only earns the desire to watch the next flick that much more.)


I cared so much for these characters after all was said and done. Such a journey to see. From the highs, the unsure middle, to the heartbreaking lows. Great, great movies all across the board. A new favorite trilogy has been discovered.
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:14 AM   #3343 (permalink)
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Yay! Great stuff Cody. I adore those films so much. The third is something else to me though. Maybe it's because I've been in and still am in a long term relationship and there's always hints of that stuff. What I loved most was the idea that the first two movies are like fairytale's and you're taken on this almost too good to be true journey which is genuinely how the start of something like that feels, and then the third hits you in the heart right where it hurts with reality, but that spark and that feeling still remain underneath it all. Wonderful movies.
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Before Midnight was kind of like a brick wall put up in front of you while going along the journey. You're feeling happy watching the bond grow until - *splat*. Reality decides to come along and make everything not so hunky dory. Tugs at your heartstrings on each go around. All in different ways. Glad I actually didn't know about these till a few months ago via your plug b/c I wouldn't have been able to handle being left off the hook on how the first two were. Got to see all three in full without waiting. Much better that way.
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Ok I just finished Before Sunrise. This might not be a super long write-up because I just pulled an all nighter, and I wanted to give my thoughts while they were still fresh. Forgive me if my ideas are scattered about in a semi-incoherent mess, unlike my Notre Jour Viendra review which had a bit more structure to it. :/

Just have to say though.. Wow, this turned out to be the EXACT opposite of the last movie I reviewed as far as the mood it put me in. Needless to say, this was the Feel Good shit that I needed lol

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First thing I noticed when I watched the opening scene was that the main actors were the exact same couple in bed discussing time relativity between the dream state and the wake state in Linklater's Waking Life , which was kinda cool and already gave me an idea of what I was in for. The first scene between Hawke and Julie Delpy immediately set the tone of what was to come. Like most of Linklater's movies, he's presenting his film in a way that gives you the impression that you're eavesdropping on a natural unfolding of human interaction which is a format that's always been very hit & miss with me.

Much like movies before it (i.e. Mindwalk, A Dinner with Andre) There isn't any multi-faceted plot with edge of your seat thrills, but rather an isolated event that forces you to pay close attention to dialogue and body language , letting the core human emotions of the characters tell the story. Before Sunrise isn't really conceived as an attempt to open up it's audience to science and philosophy the way Mindwalk did, but rather as a way to reflect the purest form of love manifest. As Delpy's character puts it in the movie: "the magical space between us". There's undoubtably a lot of Linklater in Hawke's anecdotes as I suspect that the script came from a very personal place, and I could certainly tell that this was the launching point for the more ambitious approach he would later tackle in Waking Life. (where he truly attempted to educate his audience through an elaborated dream sequence).

Before Sunrise succeeds where most of his other movies to me failed, and that's because he's using the philosophical chit-chat as a backdrop to something far more important; the developing chemistry between the characters and the circumstances that bring them closer together. Julie Delpy was an absolute perfect choice for the role because she radiated a very human element, and reacted completely naturally to the events unfolding. Ethan Hawke's quirky charm brought out the best in her, and you could feel something incredibly special unfording between them with every passing hour. I don't think this movie would've worked out this well if the casting was different.

My absolute favorite scene was the "fake" phonecall conversation where they pretended to call their friends to describe the time they had with each other. That's a moment of genuine sincerity where they were both comfortable enough to put their guard down and express what the experience meant to them. There are a few times where they both quit talking and were forced into reflection, those moments were equally poignant because they enjoyed each other's company despite the complete silence. By the end, I felt like I walked in Ethan Hawke's shoes as I could instantly relate to his experience. Who wouldn't kill to spend those ineffable moment with someone that makes you forget about life's trivial things, someone to get lost in the moment with, someone that changes your life in a single night? As cliche as this may sound, that's exactly what happened here.

Before Sunset is a charmful and accomplished celebration of life where Linklater allows things to flow organically without exhausting you mentally , and this is why it works so well. There might've been moments where I felt that the dialogue was forced, but never did it hinder my overall enjoyment. Very good stuff.



Next up, Before Sunset (i'm guessing that this is 6 months later when they meet again?).


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Yay again! So glad people have liked it as much as me. Really looking forward to what you think of the others .
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Before Midnight was kind of like a brick wall put up in front of you while going along the journey. You're feeling happy watching the bond grow until - *splat*. Reality decides to come along and make everything not so hunky dory. Tugs at your heartstrings on each go around. All in different ways. Glad I actually didn't know about these till a few months ago via your plug b/c I wouldn't have been able to handle being left off the hook on how the first two were. Got to see all three in full without waiting. Much better that way.
I absolutely know this feeling. Purely because a couple of people in the thread seem to be diving into the trilogy, I'm just gonna stick this as a spoiler as a 'just in case' measure...

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What struck me here was that in the early going, the movie starts with Jesse and Celine essentially matured, but still capable of these long conversations in a single shot, the ease of which they speak. But crucially, there are cracks here and there; the passion which with Celine talks about the potential job, the obvious shadow of Jesse's son moving back home, etc. amongst the more amiable parts.

When they return to Patrick's house, even despite the laughter of the dinner scene there's an underlying bitterness. It's just little things, like a quick shot of Jesse and Celine when other couples are talking about love, showing that their own has been strained, or when Celine is jokingly complaining about Jesse's wannabe 'macho' side, she's just a little bit too - genuine, and that's on Delpy. It all builds to the hotel room scene when you realise that this relationship is by no means perfect, it's not picturesque as you'd like to think from the first two movies, because love doesn't really work like that and the pair couldn't maintain it. It's achingly sad in places but that's where the meaning really comes in.

Glad you enjoyed them so much. I had to wait two years from watching the first two, so count yourself lucky
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Winter Sleepers 3/5
Aguirre, Wrath of God 4.5/5

I like Aguirre. It was super slow and really long scenes, but it was so enthralling. and the guy who played Aguirre was a creep. Freaking weird guy. This movie was also shot on location; sounds like a bitch.
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fuck yeah , Aguirre is god level filmaking and Klaus Kinski is a GOAT actor and legendary fucknut insane lunatic rogue. He made 4 other films with Herzog and theyre all amazing. There's a great doc about their relationship called My Best Fiend too if youre interested.
All their movies were made in far out locations and practically drove everyone involved insane (Kinski was probably already insane though). Herzog is the master for shooting that kind of scenery too, probably my favorite director for just leaving a stationary cam on a natural scene and making it compelling.
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