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Old 05-08-2013, 05:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Did the second movie involve a murder in the bathroom stall of a theater, and the mom of Scream 1's killer being revealed as the new killer? Forgive me, but there were so many Screamploitation flicks in the late nineties that I get most of them mixed up. If that's what I think it was, found it very underwhelming, especially compared to the original flick. Saw asdf praise part 4, might have to give that a shot since it's supposedly a sort of stand-alone flick you can skip straight to without seing 2 and 3.


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I dig how Hanoi always gives shoutouts to flicks I've never heard of.

I blame American culture for this.
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Thought long and hard about Hanoi's question, and the Exorcist 3 takes a giant shit on Exorcist 2. Then again, everything that was ever made is better than the Exorcist 2.
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Exorcist flicks did nothing for me up until that Last Exorcism one from 2011. Only b/c I enjoyed the first person camera approach to it + the guy being a phony only to discover some crazy shiz going on. Ending was AWESOME.

I credit my lack of interest in the originals partially due to the fact that I don't believe in the hoopla. (well, I'm sure I'm not alone on that philosophy, but some still like/love the original(s)) Idk. The theatrics of the recent one roped me in. I'm not a saint, I'm a sinner for thinking this. I know.
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That's William Blatty's thing though, he uses his work as an allegory to sacreligious/atheist themes. First one is legendary for how it broke new ground at the time and made use of awesome organic effects, but I still think the 3rd one is BOSS (and actually directed by Blatty himself). I think the Ninth Configuration is better than all 3 movies though, but that's seperate from the whole Exorcist universe even though it has similarities. (Exorcist 3 was also very loosely tied to the first two and had no real relation to them, it was only called Exorcist 3 for better marketability).



and for leaving me hangin' on the Scream question, you can't expect me to look up the synopsis myself on IMDB when I have someone like you on hand. ITS EXTRA WORK DAMMIT!
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Did the second movie involve a murder in the bathroom stall of a theater, and the mom of Scream 1's killer being revealed as the new killer? Forgive me, but there were so many Screamploitation flicks in the late nineties that I get most of them mixed up. If that's what I think it was, found it very underwhelming, especially compared to the original flick. Saw asdf praise part 4, might have to give that a shot since it's supposedly a sort of stand-alone flick you can skip straight to without seing 2 and 3.
Yep, second began via the murder scene in the bathroom & Billy Loomis' mom wasn't the Killer per-say, but the mastermind behind the slayings as she got Timothy Olyphant's character to do it for her. He was in the close circle of friends Sidney had at College so he picked em off one by one.

Part two is damn near my favorite. I just think so much of it is on point with the thrills, the story, the well, everything. Especially the opening. Which was a hell of a rousing start to come close to matching the original. Women & her boyfriend from the same College as Sidney attend the premiere for STAB. The guy gets offed in the bathroom. Ghostface stabs the women IN THE THEATER. but leave it to the mass boneheads attending thinking it was part of the event and watched her die as she was screaming for help. Brilliant!

The fourth is epoch tale that brings it back from a near decade and gives it new life. Ooooohhhh it's so good. On all aspects. The hack and slash is bossy & the story is even better. You really don't have to watch the two sequels before it to get a gist of things. Just knowing there was three times before Sidney went through the trauma is story enough. It capture elements based around more "modern day" themes too which I adored. It adapted with the times. Which was probably the strongest point about it. I heard through the grapevine that Wes Craven was thinking of pumping out a fifth. How that could happen, I don't know. I felt he covered so much ground and so damn well in part four that it ending there would be terrific.

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and for leaving me hangin' on the Scream question, you can't expect me to look up the synopsis myself on IMDB when I have someone like you on hand. ITS EXTRA WORK DAMMIT!
You would know more. I just know it's never been a franchise to lure me in. Seen the first a few times. Seen parts of Three. Which I have heard from plenty is rather awesome. Wasn't there a fourth? Not the Emily Rose one or the Last Exorcism I mentioned. I'm talking about a part four from like the premise set in Egypt or something.

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Thought long and hard about Hanoi's question, and the Exorcist 3 takes a giant shit on Exorcist 2. Then again, everything that was ever made is better than the Exorcist 2.
I just realized the Good, the Bad & the Ugly is better than A Few Dollars More (debatable if its better than Fistful), and Die Hard with a Vengeance shits all over Die Harder for me (it doesnt come close to the first, but then nothing does).
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Yep, second began via the murder scene in the bathroom & Billy Loomis' mom wasn't the Killer per-say, but the mastermind behind the slayings as she got Timothy Olyphant's character to do it for her. He was in the close circle of friends Sidney had at College so he picked em off one by one.

Part two is damn near my favorite. I just think so much of it is on point with the thrills, the story, the well, everything. Especially the opening. Which was a hell of a rousing start to come close to matching the original. Women & her boyfriend from the same College as Sidney attend the premiere for STAB. The guy gets offed in the bathroom. Ghostface stabs the women IN THE THEATER. but leave it to the mass boneheads attending thinking it was part of the event and watched her die as she was screaming for help. Brilliant!

The fourth is epoch tale that brings it back from a near decade and gives it new life. Ooooohhhh it's so good. On all aspects. The hack and slash is bossy & the story is even better. You really don't have to watch the two sequels before it to get a gist of things. Just knowing there was three times before Sidney went through the trauma is story enough. It capture elements based around more "modern day" themes too which I adored. It adapted with the times. Which was probably the strongest point about it. I heard through the grapevine that Wes Craven was thinking of pumping out a fifth. How that could happen, I don't know. I felt he covered so much ground and so damn well in part four that it ending there would be terrific.

Solid post. I'd probably watch the fourth film for nostalgia factor, though i'd have no clue how all of them would stack up with me today after seing so many awesome horror movies after it. I was super young when I saw the original, and it more or less started the whole "whodunit" trend that was beaten to the ground. It was still wildly unique for a mainstream horror flick, especially at a time when the golden age of the 70's/80's had died down and we were left with shovelware and movies that evoke little more than cheap thrills. This actually had an interesting concept in making the killers fans of oldschool horror movies and knowing/avoiding all the cliches. Felt like it had that sense of realism since the killers could've been absolutely anyone. No Superpowers, no Monsters just everyday blokes and that made it that much more disturbing in a way. I remember there being concern about the movie spawning copycat killers, thankfully that didn't happen but it easily could've. The ending swerve was pretty awesome even if I had that halfway figured out before it happened.


Heard that part 4 was very graphic compared to the other films. Doesn't surprise me, it's just a sign o' the times in pop culture where making people sick substitutes subtly frightning atmospheric/psychological horro movies. Sometimes you can have a bit of both and make it work.


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You would know more. I just know it's never been a franchise to lure me in. Seen the first a few times. Seen parts of Three. Which I have heard from plenty is rather awesome. Wasn't there a fourth? Not the Emily Rose one or the Last Exorcism I mentioned. I'm talking about a part four from like the premise set in Egypt or something.

I FIXED THE PROBLEM BTW.

If there's an Exorcist 4, I haven't seen it or heard of it. I know there were a few spiritual companion pieces like Exorcism, but I don;t think there's been much of anything done recently that ties in directly to that universe. I could be wrong on that, it's not like i've been paying that much attention. lol
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Solid post. I'd probably watch the fourth film for nostalgia factor, though i'd have no clue how all of them would stack up with me today after seing so many awesome horror movies after it. I was super young when I saw the original, and it more or less started the whole "whodunit" trend that was beaten to the ground. It was still wildly unique for a mainstream horror flick, especially at a time when the golden age of the 70's/80's had died down and we were left with shovelware and movies that evoke little more than cheap thrills. This actually had an interesting concept in making the killers fans of oldschool horror movies and knowing avoiding all the cliches. Felt like it had that sense of realism since the killers could've been absolutely anyone. No Superpowers, no Monsters just everyday blokes and that made it that much more disturbing in a way. I remember there being concern about the movie spawning copycat killers, thankfully that didn't happen but it easily could've. The ending swerve was pretty awesome even if I had that halfway figured out before it happened.


Heard that part 4 was very graphic compared to the other films. Doesn't surprise me, it's just a sign o' the times in pop culture where making people sick substitutes subtly frightning atmospheric/psychological horro movies. Sometimes you can have a bit of both and make it work.
I still consider it rather genre busting to this day. Wes Craven was into some of his flicks pressing in between reality & movies so not only did he accomplish that with the final Freddy Kruger movie - New Nightmare - but along the same lines, only varies with the slasher style in Scream. To me, what you stated about the realism/unpredictability along with the movie being an homage or even periodic timepiece on slasher/horror flicks is what makes me fall in love with 'em. There is humor mixed in throughout. Giving the movie a non-serious vibe throughout to easy into things. Almost not to make it feel cheesy when it in fact was kind of meant to be once poking fun at the entire sub-genre on the whole. Randy being the central character in all of this. The uber-fan who knew ever in and out from watching all of the previous slasher films prior. Once it began happening in real life - he was able to feed the characters with the proper amount of knowledge. That's what is so cool about all of it. It's almost like this big "blows it a kiss" towards the list of classic or cult classic slasher/horror flicks seen from the 70's & 80's. A love affair, really. Maybe not IN the story of the movie, but the point behind the movie in general. Ghostface's gimmick was spawned from the start as being a Horror buff. "What's your favorite scary movie?" Boom. Right there. From that point on it became linked forever. As the franchise would grow this element of "what if people watched these movies & acted on it themselves" came to life (on screen) Having that layering effect to add along with the central stories involving the characters of these movies. Part III encompasses this to a tee. Of course that one became the ultimate mirror effect and became a movie about movies that was filming a movie about this movie. (HOLY SHIT right?) From then on out we've seen multiple films go the route Wes Craven seemed to branch off here. Regardless if one wants to be mad or thank him for that, well that's one person's opinion. I know I'm happy he gave us something different at the time & can stand up till this day.

Part Four was the most violent I'd say. Def on a visual level. That's modern day style. I wasn't surprised. About five minutes in you knew that was going to be the case. All good with me. A little bit more blood didn't put a damper on me. We always pays to see attractive young dames get sliced and diced when we watch slasher films.

I could have sworn there has been copycats who killed wearing Ghostface's mask in real life. Maybe it was more of a local thing and didn't go on for long. About 50% sure atm. Happened in the 90's of course. So I was VERY young.
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Takashi Miike. Gonna check out the most of his filmography soon. Someone (blarg, asfd, ABH) name me 5-6 "sleepers" from him, outside of the obvious ones (Black Society Trilogy, Ichi, Dead or Alive, Visitor Q, Gozu), please, because he makes so much movies. Miike is a fucking genius.
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