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Old 02-13-2013, 09:33 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Oh I dunno, Luke suffered for a LONG time after killing her. To the point where he felt he couldn't confront Jacen directly because he would turn dark after killing him. As much as I loathe the whole "Dark can kill light and be ok, but light kills dark outside of pure defense and they go dark" thing, it was done decently enough to believe.

Although, with how they ended the FOTJ series, I'm not gonna buy another fucking hardcover again. I'll wait on paperbacks or something. 10 books to go almost nowhere, jesus.
That was the problem I had with FOTJ also. It ultimately ended in cliffhanger with more questions about Jacen, the arrival of the One Sith, Vestara's betrayal, and the last part where it Luke said "Luke realized that his father's refusal to become the new Keeper of Balance had in fact set off a disastrous chain of events. With the death of the Ones, the galaxy began to slide into darkness; the number of conflicts and chaos in the last 65 years were evidence enough of that.[4] When Jacen Solo fell to the dark side and became the Sith Lord Darth Caedus in an effort to change the course of the future, he inadvertently set in motion another chain of events which culminated in the destruction of Centerpoint Station and the release of Abeloth. With the Ones dead, Abeloth was free to continue her rampage of chaos and destruction."

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Yeah I really liked Jacen's fall. The parts I've read (Dark Nest onwards. I just started reading the NJO for the first time [still on Vector Prime]). One of my favourite SW books is Betrayal, but I think the LOTF series jumped the shark the moment Luke Skywalker murdered Lumiya.
Lumiya was a great villain, just because she actually points out the flaws in Vader & Palpatine.

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Was sad to see Chewie go, but he did go out sacrificing himself to save other innocents. I wouldn't have had it any other way. His "life-debt" to Han was going to demand payment at some time, and I thought it was handled brilliantly. It was a shame that R.A. Salvatore received death threats for having killed him off. I'm as big a Star Wars mark as anyone else alive but some people really need to get over themselves.

I also loved Mara Jade, but her dying at the hands of Jacen Solo to give birth to Darth Caedus made sense to me. To me Luke was losing some of his focus, and Ben Skywalker should feature prominently in the future of the Jedi Order. Removing her from their lives forced the both of them to take their roles more seriously. I also think it puts Ben in a position to rise even further than his father. Her death made Leia and Jaina more relevant to the existing storylines. Leia especially has become more of a badass, which I should expect from a Jedi Knight. It's about damn time.
Leia needs to be a Master already.

And I agree. Jacen was already made to be Luke's heir but Mara dying, made Ben that person.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:31 PM   #72 (permalink)
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That was the problem I had with FOTJ also. It ultimately ended in cliffhanger with more questions about Jacen, the arrival of the One Sith, Vestara's betrayal, and the last part where it Luke said "Luke realized that his father's refusal to become the new Keeper of Balance had in fact set off a disastrous chain of events. With the death of the Ones, the galaxy began to slide into darkness; the number of conflicts and chaos in the last 65 years were evidence enough of that.[4] When Jacen Solo fell to the dark side and became the Sith Lord Darth Caedus in an effort to change the course of the future, he inadvertently set in motion another chain of events which culminated in the destruction of Centerpoint Station and the release of Abeloth. With the Ones dead, Abeloth was free to continue her rampage of chaos and destruction."
The thing that pissed me off to absolutely no end was that Abeloth "died", but not totally. They have to go on a special dagger finding mission to kill her off for real in the future. So...we invented all those Sith to kill them off, an eldritch abomination that didn't really die, and jumbled around some politics and killed a few good guys....in 10 books. That shit could have been done in 3. Chasing around planet to planet to planet that didn't do anything for a permanent conclusion was horrible. The heel/face revolving door of Vestara was so ridiculously obvious it wasn't entertaining.

At least I liked what they did with Ben, they try so hard to make him important.

Oh, and it would be nice if all the 80 year olds could stop hogging the spotlight for awhile and die or retire. We don't need Han saving the day anymore. We really don't.
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The thing that pissed me off to absolutely no end was that Abeloth "died", but not totally. They have to go on a special dagger finding mission to kill her off for real in the future. So...we invented all those Sith to kill them off, an eldritch abomination that didn't really die, and jumbled around some politics and killed a few good guys....in 10 books. That shit could have been done in 3. Chasing around planet to planet to planet that didn't do anything for a permanent conclusion was horrible. The heel/face revolving door of Vestara was so ridiculously obvious it wasn't entertaining.

At least I liked what they did with Ben, they try so hard to make him important.

Oh, and it would be nice if all the 80 year olds could stop hogging the spotlight for awhile and die or retire. We don't need Han saving the day anymore. We really don't.
Agreed. They completely overpowered Luke, and made Ben his little sidekick. Always wanted Luke to have more of a Yoda role. Just sit back and give advice, and only fight when it's the major villains.

Was nice to see Darth Krayt. Him and Luke need more interactions.
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Oh I dunno, Luke suffered for a LONG time after killing her. To the point where he felt he couldn't confront Jacen directly because he would turn dark after killing him. As much as I loathe the whole "Dark can kill light and be ok, but light kills dark outside of pure defense and they go dark" thing, it was done decently enough to believe.
My problems are more that he can kill an already beaten Lumiya to save him trouble down the line, but he doesn't trust himself to kill Jacen to save billions of other people? And he jumps straight to killing Jacen? Not redeeming him? Not maiming him and taking him into custody?

C'mon, this is Luke "I can feel the conflict!" Skywalker we're talking about here, with his former apprentice and nephew. I just didn't buy it, just seemed wildly OOC for a guy championed in the EU as the single greatest Jedi ever.

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LMAO. I had pretty much the same reaction. Felt like I'd spent 100 odd just to read something that should have been in LOTF.

The hardcover thing annoys me too. Black Library have been doing it too. It's the main reason I've been slowly switching to eBooks. Well that and the paper.
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My problems are more that he can kill an already beaten Lumiya to save him trouble down the line, but he doesn't trust himself to kill Jacen to save billions of other people? And he jumps straight to killing Jacen? Not redeeming him? Not maiming him and taking him into custody?

C'mon, this is Luke "I can feel the conflict!" Skywalker we're talking about here, with his former apprentice and nephew. I just didn't buy it, just seemed wildly OOC for a guy championed in the EU as the single greatest Jedi ever.




LMAO. I had pretty much the same reaction. Felt like I'd spent 100 odd just to read something that should have been in LOTF.

The hardcover thing annoys me too. Black Library have been doing it too. It's the main reason I've been slowly switching to eBooks. Well that and the paper.
Agreed. Take some of the books out of LOTF and replace them with FOTJ. Regardless both were entertaining series, but Legacy Of The Force was great.

And yeah Luke is the greatest Jedi ever. Basically is how powerful Anakin would've been if he didn't fall to the Dark Side.
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Didn't wanna make a new thread taking space (heh) but any reccomendable books which has a sith lord in focus, alike how the Darth Bane books works?
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Speaking of character deaths...

Chewbacca was, of course, very sad. But at least he went out as a hero; arms raised defiantly as a moon crashed into him.

Mara Jade was also sad but it made sense in the course of the story being told.

The one that seriously pisses me off to this day is the death of Anakin Solo. It was an utter waste of one of the best characters the EU ever created. He was the perfect blend of Han and Luke. It would have been genius to see what he would have become as an adult. Imagine Han Solo with Jedi powers. That would have been freakin' sweet. Then they go and waste his death on some meaningless world doing some random mission right in the middle of the NJO series? WTF was that? The worst part of all is that it makes Chewie's death less meaningful. Chewie died so Anakin could live. Then they go and fuckin' waste it.
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I'm reading the Han Solo trilogy by A.C. Crispin and it really kinda sucks. Han Solo & Sucks shouldn't go together.
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You mean Star Wars exists outside of the original trilogy?
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Yeah some of the expanded universe stuff is pretty good. THRAWN
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