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TV characters that you loved but hurt the show

I was watching Buffy the other day and i couldn't help think that Spike was an awesome character but the show would have been better off without him.

For example taking season 6 and 7, Spike was one of the big reasons the show declined those last two season. He become too much of a main focus of the show, and Buffy always defending him (esp season 7) really hurt the show IMO. He wasn't needed in Angel season 5 either.

So are there any characters from other shows that you loved but the show really needed to get rid off? Or Vice-Versa?


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In the show "Forever Knight", Nick's partner Det. Skanky was dead weight. He should have been killed off and/or replaced with someone actually interesting, who could have provided more drama to the show. Instead of a bumbling idiot, Nick could have had to deal with an intelligent partner that was capable of figuring out his "secret". Might have allowed the series to last longer.
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Re: TV characters that you loved but hurt the show

Not sure if it counts but I use to love Peter, Lois, Brian , and Stewie griffin

Over course of the show these characters personalities changed.
Peter use to be the lovable oaf with heart of gold who would do whatever it took to support his family. All of a sudden he's beyond goof to actually being mentally retarted and selfish.
Lois use to be the mother who loved all of her kids equally and was the normal one of the family. She turned into a cruel bitch who puts down meg
Brian just became a really annoying activist type
Stewie use to be the British infant some hell bent on world domination and wanted to kill his mother at all cost. Them they turned him in to a gay baby which it seems like he has no prior memory of his dream of world domination

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Re: TV characters that you loved but hurt the show

Probably Stephen Merchant on the Ricky Gervais Show. Stephen is important for setting up Karl with questions, but honestly, that show is all about Karl and Ricky. When Ricky has one on ones with Karl, it works just as well if not better.

Not sure if that one counts since it's reality based..

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Re: TV characters that you loved but hurt the show

Spike was the only reason to watch the last three seasons of buffy tbh, his character was so complex and interesting you kept tuning in for more, anytime a TV show has a tweener (someone between two sides) they always make it more interesting .. another great example for that type of character would be Vegeta in DBZ or Dr Cox in Scrubs, while the show was not about them, they were the reason to watch it, not a bad thing imo

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Spike was the only reason to watch the last three seasons of buffy tbh, his character was so complex and interesting you kept tuning in for more, anytime a TV show has a tweener (someone between two sides) they always make it more interesting .. another great example for that type of character would be Vegeta in DBZ or Dr Cox in Scrubs, while the show was not about them, they were the reason to watch it, not a bad thing imo
I thought Spike was brilliant until season 5, then after that i still liked him as a character but i didn't think he was well used. His story line late season 6, early season 7 was just a re-hash of Angel's story line anyway

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Probably Stephen Merchant on the Ricky Gervais Show. Stephen is important for setting up Karl with questions, but honestly, that show is all about Karl and Ricky. When Ricky has one on ones with Karl, it works just as well if not better.

Not sure if that one counts since it's reality based..
unfortunately the show on HBO really does a bad job of showing the importance of Steve Merchant....Most of the show is audio taken from their xfm show back in the early 2000s....if you were to listen to those shows you will see how much Steve and Karl go at it and that ricky is really just there to stir the pot between them sometimes....Honestly the funniest parts of them three is when Steve has a go at how dumb Karl is and Karl comes back by having a go at how ugly Steve is and Ricky is just in the background laughing...
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unfortunately the show on HBO really does a bad job of showing the importance of Steve Merchant....Most of the show is audio taken from their xfm show back in the early 2000s....if you were to listen to those shows you will see how much Steve and Karl go at it and that ricky is really just there to stir the pot between them sometimes....Honestly the funniest parts of them three is when Steve has a go at how dumb Karl is and Karl comes back by having a go at how ugly Steve is and Ricky is just in the background laughing...
Agree. Probably why I thought he'd fit into this thread. I always found Steve terribly underrated, and I have listened to some of their earlier radio bits which does showcase Merchant alot more. In the new podcasts, he does come across as the third wheel that occationally chips in his proverbial two cents.

The show's dynamic now is more or less anchored on the action-reaction of Karl's wacky tangents and Ricky's reaction (dat laugh!). Like I said, Steve does set Karl up, and he does share his own anecdotes, but there's been times when it's only Ricky and Karl and that worked really well too. When it's just those two together, you get a rare feeling of awkwardness since Ricky is completely streamlined with Karl as opposed to a crowded dynamic, and that adds alot to the humor. That promotional bit they did together for "Life's too short" and the "Learn to speak english" pilot had me




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Re: TV characters that you loved but hurt the show

Aside from a few amazing episodes I think it was just the writing that weakened Buffy in the last two (I make it three) seasons. Spike had enough intriguing back-story and depth to be a more important character, it's just that he didn't belong in a soppy love angle with the protagonist.

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Re: TV characters that you loved but hurt the show

Apparently Stewie is the most popular character in Family Guy but I think he ruins it. So basically the opposite of what the op is asking.

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