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Old 12-04-2012, 01:33 PM   #281 (permalink)
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It was rushed, but I guess it's better than taking 7 episodes to play out something everyone guessed within the first half hour.

Strange feeling, not knowing where a Dexter season is going into the last few episodes. I liked the realisation that the 'dark passenger' isn't real and was kind of a crutch to absolve his guilt, even if it was a necessity to have him break the code. While I don't think the Dexter character will take a very dark turn, it definitely opens up the possibilities for people to start rooting against him a little next year.

So far I'm enjoying this more than season 6, at least. It's not the show's prime or anything, but it's a decent way to spend 45 minutes a week.
People only guessed because a select few pointed it out early on which made people look for clues for the reveal. The moment someone points out a theory, people start looking into it therefore making people talk about it. Word of "mouth" travels fast online. I'm not tryign to make any excuses but its obvious thats what happened last season.
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People only guessed because a select few pointed it out early on which made people look for clues for the reveal. The moment someone points out a theory, people start looking into it therefore making people talk about it. Word of "mouth" travels fast online. I'm not tryign to make any excuses but its obvious thats what happened last season.
Honestly, I only caught up and watched seasons 5 & 6 earlier this year in a row, avoided everything about them (I only knew Hanks was in it when I started watching) and I'd guessed it fairly quickly. I get fooled by every other twist, ever, but that one jumped out at me.

(as a side note, in fairness to the writers, I'm not convinced it was supposed to be a Shyamalan-style twist out of nowhere, which is why I think it seemed clearer than a lot of past moments where the wool was deliberately pulled over our eyes)

Anyhow, more than that particular storyline, I was referring also to the general vibes of the previous seasons. I never got the feeling I didn't know the vague direction the show was going in by the half way point - not what would happen exactly, but who the main antagonist would be, who'd be the one ending up on the table wrapped in plastic etc. With this season, I'm not even sure I'll know by the end of next week what'll be happening at the end. It's not necessarily a positive but it's refreshing.
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Was anyone else expecting Deb to bust out some weed when she brought her pill bottle out?
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:42 PM   #284 (permalink)
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Umm ever thought of fake identification? Since he's a hitman, its pretty obvious he wouldn't use his real name and address.You can't have every single thing explained to you, you should already expect that to be honest. I also don't think he kills in broad daylight, he kills when he sees teh oppertunity. Also, Issac wants Dexter dead so why would they assume they are working together?The assumption was Issac is following Dex therefore following Dex would bring him to Issac. Very simple actually.

He didn't shoot Dex because he has nothing with Dexter. he doesn't want him nor would Dex tell the police he saw him since he was with Isaac they'd ask too many questions, he knew he was in the clear

Very simple reasons behind it but for some reason you missed it.
Regardless of whether he figured Dex and Ike were working together, he did think Ike would be there. I mean it was a possibility to him. He pretty much threw caution to the wind and CHARGED. Not literally charged of course, but he might as well have.

Did the hit man wear a disguise when he bought the gun? No, so there were witnesses in that store. People saw his face. Who would ever want witnesses that can tie you to a crime? He still may never get caught, but why is he taking such a ridiculous chance? It's just not believable and acted as a stupid way for Dexter to kill him. It was just a plot device in the end. Maybe that hit man likes to LIVE DANGEROUSLY.

He doesn't have anything with Dex, but Dex was a witness TO A MURDER. Why would the guy take that chance that Dex wouldn't go to the police when he can just kill Dexter too? He wouldn't. He'd kill all witnesses. Dex wasn't killed simply because he's the main character and that's weak writing. You missed what I was getting at there.

After all this, why was Isaac afraid of these two hit men? They were shown to be grossly incompetent and Dexter killed them with ease. We know Dexter is a serious badass, lol not sure how or why he is btw he just is, so it should've been a decent challenge for him. But nah, they died easily. Perhaps it's possible Ike wasn't actually scared and he just wanted to see Dex in action. If so, I can abide that.

The episode was terribly written. If you accept bad writing, cool.
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Honestly, I only caught up and watched seasons 5 & 6 earlier this year in a row, avoided everything about them (I only knew Hanks was in it when I started watching) and I'd guessed it fairly quickly. I get fooled by every other twist, ever, but that one jumped out at me.

(as a side note, in fairness to the writers, I'm not convinced it was supposed to be a Shyamalan-style twist out of nowhere, which is why I think it seemed clearer than a lot of past moments where the wool was deliberately pulled over our eyes)

Anyhow, more than that particular storyline, I was referring also to the general vibes of the previous seasons. I never got the feeling I didn't know the vague direction the show was going in by the half way point - not what would happen exactly, but who the main antagonist would be, who'd be the one ending up on the table wrapped in plastic etc. With this season, I'm not even sure I'll know by the end of next week what'll be happening at the end. It's not necessarily a positive but it's refreshing.
Oh fair enough then my apologies. Its just my experience online was mainly that, people read reviews discussed it and it escalated to the point where a ton of people knew. And to me personally, the seasons that peopel hate on weren't as bad to me. Seasons 5 and 6 weren't bad but people kept hating on it and I just dont know why

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Regardless of whether he figured Dex and Ike were working together, he did think Ike would be there. I mean it was a possibility to him. He pretty much threw caution to the wind and CHARGED. Not literally charged of course, but he might as well have.

Did the hit man wear a disguise when he bought the gun? No, so there were witnesses in that store. People saw his face. Who would ever want witnesses that can tie you to a crime? He still may never get caught, but why is he taking such a ridiculous chance? It's just not believable and acted as a stupid way for Dexter to kill him. It was just a plot device in the end. Maybe that hit man likes to LIVE DANGEROUSLY.

He doesn't have anything with Dex, but Dex was a witness TO A MURDER. Why would the guy take that chance that Dex wouldn't go to the police when he can just kill Dexter too? He wouldn't. He'd kill all witnesses. Dex wasn't killed simply because he's the main character and that's weak writing. You missed what I was getting at there.

After all this, why was Isaac afraid of these two hit men? They were shown to be grossly incompetent and Dexter killed them with ease. We know Dexter is a serious badass, lol not sure how or why he is btw he just is, so it should've been a decent challenge for him. But nah, they died easily. Perhaps it's possible Ike wasn't actually scared and he just wanted to see Dex in action. If so, I can abide that.

The episode was terribly written. If you accept bad writing, cool.
he thought he'd be there because he thought he'd follow Dex to kill him. Fairly simple, he made a mistake in underestimating Dex but honestly you can't think he'd know , no one would know

Why would he need to wear a disguise if you have false ID you dont need it.Hell, the hitmen had connections to the Ukraine so if need be they'd be on the next plane out to go back and disappear. They're well connected because you know they're hitmen and all. Don't forget,Dex has multiple I.D's too if he needs them he carries them in a black bag in his closet. Watch previous seasons where he rummages through because he thought he was going to get caught. What makes you think a pro wouldn't do the same? Also, maybe he was buying it from a place they extort ? Now thats probably a stretch but I think the various I.D. theory works out any problems

Dex is a witness to a murder but you forget that Issac told him that Dex was a killer and that it made perfect sense for him to work for the police and kill under their noses etc If Dex goes to the police saying that, they'd ask to many questions like why was he there with Isaac? Why was he trespassing etc etc Too much of a risk for Dex to take he knew that. It makes perfect sense

I think you're making too much of a stretch to say they were incompetent but afterall Isaac was cut off of all luxuries and weapons. Meaning he'd have to fight 2 guys with weapons.

Its rather simple, you're just making it difficult
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You're not even getting how stupid it is that he buys a gun from a shop. He doesn't need a disguise. He doesn't need a fake ID. He can get an untraceable gun from the black market. Like you said, he's connected. It just doesn't make sense that he'd buy a gun from a shop when he has a more reliably safe option of acquiring the gun. Again, it's a weak plot device so Dexter can kill him.

Strip club owner could've just simply shot Dexter and he would've 100% not told the police because he'd be dead. Keeping him alive means there is still a chance Dex is a witness to a murder strip club guy committed and talks. Dexter also could KILL strip club guy later. Dex doesn't get killed there simply because he's the STAR.

Your simple explanations are weak because that episode was rushed and had weak writing.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:29 AM   #288 (permalink)
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Didn't mind this week's episode, although the quality did dip a bit without ISAAK the GOAT. I doubt we go without a big kill in the season finale, and Hannah is probably still going to be that person on the table. She'll probably try to kill Deb after she launches an investigation into the incident that Hannah's father told Dexter or whatever it was. After Dexter finds out that Hannah tried to kill Deb, that will be enough to put her on Dexter's table, seeing as Dexter loves Deb more than anyone else.

Either that, or LaGuerta is killed at the end of the season by Deb to help protect Dexter.
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Didn't mind this week's episode, although the quality did dip a bit without ISAAK the GOAT. I doubt we go without a big kill in the season finale, and Hannah is probably still going to be that person on the table. She'll probably try to kill Deb after she launches an investigation into the incident that Hannah's father told Dexter or whatever it was. After Dexter finds out that Hannah tried to kill Deb, that will be enough to put her on Dexter's table, seeing as Dexter loves Deb more than anyone else.

Either that, or LaGuerta is killed at the end of the season by Deb to help protect Dexter.
that would be a major plot twist, as Deb never really had the character traits of a vengeful cop. I see LaGuerta being steered away from Dexter in the finale somehow.
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I think that if this was the fourth, fifth, or even sixth season then you would probably be right about LaGuerta being somehow steered away from pursuing this case, but seeing as this is probably the penultimate season, she will probably be the one to find out about Dexter outside of obviously Deb. Plus, she's seems fully convinced that Doakes wasn't the Bay Harbor Butcher, and she also seems nearly convinced that Dexter might just be the BHB.

And while it would be out of character for Deb to kill Laguerta, it's been established that she not only loves Dexter, but she's fine with him doing what he's doing. I think that if she realizes that LaGuerta is close to bringing Dexter down, she will do something about it.
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