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Old 09-28-2012, 07:15 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Well, I kinda knew it was Op once the episode started, and to be fair, he went down how Op should have gone down, swinging for a friend.
Exactly. The Vice President puts his life on the President. and best friend, bo matter what. Honestly I think Kenny from 'The Shield' who was part of the Tacoma chapter and then transferred just to be blown up would have been perfect. All of his characters have been loyal to a fault and it would have preserved Opie.

As the poster above said, Jax will grow into what I think is a Clay typical personality; IE Clay took everything from John; his life, his wife, his son, his son's dignity,
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Old 09-28-2012, 02:33 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Exactly. The Vice President puts his life on the President. and best friend, bo matter what. Honestly I think Kenny from 'The Shield' who was part of the Tacoma chapter and then transferred just to be blown up would have been perfect. All of his characters have been loyal to a fault and it would have preserved Opie.

As the poster above said, Jax will grow into what I think is a Clay typical personality; IE Clay took everything from John; his life, his wife, his son, his son's dignity,
Opie wasn't VP though, Bobby Elvis was...

I don't want to watch the show to see Jax become Clay and Tara become Gemma, too much invested in the other stuff. I can see it too though, especially with Tara and it's the shits.

If they wanted a death they could have killed anyone off. Juice, Happy, Unser could have all perished and continued the storyline, Jax could have even reacted the same. I feel like they killed off Opie for that BIG story, but it wasn't built at all and the shock value is just WTF value.

I don't think I want to watch next weeks even though I probably will closer to the time. I know it's only character but the way they did it...
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That's sad, he was so young. R.I.P.
doesnt that article imply he murdered an 81 year old woman? sad that he died young? R.I.P? wtf?
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^ There wasn't anything clear mentioned about him being the murderer. What's your problem?
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Well, I kinda knew it was Op once the episode started, and to be fair, he went down how Op should have gone down, swinging for a friend.
This was the one part of Opie's death that I did like. The dude was loyal to a fault and there's really no better way for him to have gone down. Getting shot in a drive-by or in a deal gone bad wouldn't do the character justice in my mind.

Definitely agree with the poster that said Op dying was for shock value. I can understand killing somebody off to progress this story with Pope but he was one of the guys that still had a main story arc left in his character. If somebody like Tig, Juice, or even Chibbs died it would've accomplished the same thing but nobody would be talking about it like we are Opie.
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Tig couldn't have died, if Jax had Tig die, he never would have got out of prison, Tig is who Pope wants to suffer under his terms. Seen by the original offer Pope had of Tig having to stay behind bars. Better to kill off a character creative has nothing left for, and don't give me that kill Clay bull crap, that Jax's kill. Going in to that kill, it was Op, Jax, Chibbs, Tig, for me as to who'd be killed. Jax knew Op would do it, he knew it, and kept him around in the discussion to set it up.
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I think Op had plenty left to offer to the story. A lot more than Tig for sure.
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Dont get me wrong, I'm not happy with them killing off Opie.

But honestly what more could he have done? He already lost the two most important people in his life (minus the kids) and even though he has his children half of their lives he was in prison and they only became close after Donna's death. There was always a distance between him and the two kids and he knew with the club always being a part of him he'd never be that great father, hence why he gave them to Lyla.

And for those saying he had unfinished business with Clay, the dude had his climax at the end of last season...he shot Clay and then the two came to terms with it in the last episode.

Yes Opie was a great character and badass, but think about it. Guy lost his family, cant even connect with his owns kids, had his wife leave him and the club he's known and been a part of his whole life betrayed him after he went to jail for it.

Chances are bad shit would've kept happening to Op and the story would've been him just being conflicted of whether or not he would rejoin the club or not...which would be boring. It was better this way.

In the end Sutter got what he wanted....all you guys talking about it.
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Dont get me wrong, I'm not happy with them killing off Opie.

But honestly what more could he have done? He already lost the two most important people in his life (minus the kids) and even though he has his children half of their lives he was in prison and they only became close after Donna's death. There was always a distance between him and the two kids and he knew with the club always being a part of him he'd never be that great father, hence why he gave them to Lyla.

And for those saying he had unfinished business with Clay, the dude had his climax at the end of last season...he shot Clay and then the two came to terms with it in the last episode.

Yes Opie was a great character and badass, but think about it. Guy lost his family, cant even connect with his owns kids, had his wife leave him and the club he's known and been a part of his whole life betrayed him after he went to jail for it.

Chances are bad shit would've kept happening to Op and the story would've been him just being conflicted of whether or not he would rejoin the club or not...which would be boring. It was better this way.

In the end Sutter got what he wanted....all you guys talking about it.
You're right with a lot of it but Opie was the most endearing character in the show. Even if the Character had nothing to live for, we knew the potential of the character.

Put it this way, if Sutter got what he wanted in us talking about it then I'm sure it could backfire. Say I know 20 people who watch it who I have spoken to, no more than 2 or 3 said it was anything but crazy and at least of half of them aren't planning to keep up with it week by week. A lot of people I've read online in forums have said the same.

I completely understand what your saying, but this is Opie, man. Arguably the best character overall, I would go so far as to say the character who has had the most happen to him, the guy who a LOT of people got behind and a definite favourite of the show, killed off in a 15 minute story arc. It's not that I dislike the fact Opie has been killed off, it's TV. It's shit but I could live with it. It's the way it happened. A character like that should truly go out with a bang, and be built up. He shouldn't die in a 15 minute story arc in an episode it's announced a week before in advance that somebody will die, and he should have got a few more smacks in to be fair before he was killed. He was also in the same jail as the rest of the gang, even though their crimes were completely different and wouldn't put you in the same jail. His story with Clay may have been over, but by that extent so is Jax's. Jax knows what has happened and has made as much peace with Clay as Opie did.

I also read an interview with Kurt Sutter where he told the interviewer what episodes certain things will happen and I completely hate that. He told about the Jax/Clay story, the Gemma/Nero story, Juices story and one or two others. I would cite it as evidence now but after all of the stuff with Johnny Lewis and what Sutter has said about the situation I can't find it.

I have been looking forward to this season of Sons since the end of last season set it up so well. Now, not so much. As much as I dislike killing Opie off I really can't stand the fact they advertised a death beforehand and the stuff I read in the interview. I'm not really interested in much of it now.
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You're right with a lot of it but Opie was the most endearing character in the show. Even if the Character had nothing to live for, we knew the potential of the character.

Put it this way, if Sutter got what he wanted in us talking about it then I'm sure it could backfire. Say I know 20 people who watch it who I have spoken to, no more than 2 or 3 said it was anything but crazy and at least of half of them aren't planning to keep up with it week by week. A lot of people I've read online in forums have said the same.

I completely understand what your saying, but this is Opie, man. Arguably the best character overall, I would go so far as to say the character who has had the most happen to him, the guy who a LOT of people got behind and a definite favourite of the show, killed off in a 15 minute story arc. It's not that I dislike the fact Opie has been killed off, it's TV. It's shit but I could live with it. It's the way it happened. A character like that should truly go out with a bang, and be built up. He shouldn't die in a 15 minute story arc in an episode it's announced a week before in advance that somebody will die, and he should have got a few more smacks in to be fair before he was killed. He was also in the same jail as the rest of the gang, even though their crimes were completely different and wouldn't put you in the same jail. His story with Clay may have been over, but by that extent so is Jax's. Jax knows what has happened and has made as much peace with Clay as Opie did.

I also read an interview with Kurt Sutter where he told the interviewer what episodes certain things will happen and I completely hate that. He told about the Jax/Clay story, the Gemma/Nero story, Juices story and one or two others. I would cite it as evidence now but after all of the stuff with Johnny Lewis and what Sutter has said about the situation I can't find it.

I have been looking forward to this season of Sons since the end of last season set it up so well. Now, not so much. As much as I dislike killing Opie off I really can't stand the fact they advertised a death beforehand and the stuff I read in the interview. I'm not really interested in much of it now.
Me personally considering the story in this season I honestly can't think of any other way that Op could've gone out with a bang unless Jax had shot him after he shot Clay.

When you think of the other possibilities (death by Clay, Pope, Pope's right hand man, the club, drive by, hell even Lyla) this might have been the best choice, him going down swinging and showing his loyalty to the club despite all the shit it did to him.

I agree Opie had a lot to offer, but they kind of ruined the potential with the string of bad luck and moping around the character had. They had a chance to do a lot with his story after last season's finale, but they didnt go anywhere with it and I could tell he wasn't going to make it through the series, the man who's lost practically everything?

It was inevitable.
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