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A Face in the Crowd was a no brainer for me, but you already knew that based on the amount of times i've praised it on here

I loved Sunset, not enough for it to be number 1, but the world Billy Wilder created was unparalleled at the time. It's certainly one of the most influential films of all time.
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A chance for me to drop my review of Dead Man's Shoes when I first saw it? Like I'm going to pass up that opportunity. Really need to delve into these 50s, 60s and 70s movies that everything is gushing over and I'm just staring blankly at. Sheeeit still need to watch that French film blarg recommended that played on themes from Dead Man's Shoes, in the meantime:

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Without doubt one of my personal favourite films and definitely deserving of the 'indie classic' status its attracted online. The setting and realism in the characters, the Derbyshire area where the film is based is astounding, there's just enough dark humour in the film whereby you can chuckle at the exploits of the antagonists and their panic induced fear thanks to Considine's scare tactics throughout the film for it to be intriguing and not purely miserable, and at times you can really feel empathy for the antagonists who appear more of your small town petty criminals rather than destructive psychopaths. There's an air of fear and tension throughout the film, which is superbly escalated thanks to the wonderful score and Considine's performance, he is just staggeringly amazing as the guilt-ridden brother who's quest for revenge and redemption consumes his body and takes him to places he couldn't comprehend, and ultimately forces him to question the legitimacy and morality behind his actions, as well as where he can possibly escape to once his redemption is secured.

I've seen a few people label some of the antagonists as lacking in legitimacy as truly 'bad men', but to me the gritty setting of a small town in Northern England created this perfect dynamic where the antagonists for the most part were entirely relatable: small time drug dealers who weren't some East End bruisers, but rather feeble and often laughable folk only with some pathetic and disgusting actions to their name, and the fear and regret in their eyes when Considine's character makes his presence felt in each of their lives is perfectly complimented by their small-time stature. The ease with which he unhinges each and everyone of them is startling, and enough good words can't be said about the script and direction for Meadows and Considine to create this little bubble of dark humour mixed in with sheer brutality and violence enshrined in Considine's terrifying and merciless character.

Toby Kebbell is superb as the mentally retarded brother who's tragic life the film is based upon, he envokes such agony and despair with how feeble and timid he looks surrounded by the gang who bully and abuse him, and the final moments where the flashbacks throughout the film arrive at the dramatic twist are harrowing with Considine appropriately capturing the remorse and bitterness in his character in the final scene, as well as demonstrating the incredibly flawed and complexity within his actions. That final scene was just beautiful in every sense of cinema: pulling the viewer into Considine's brain as he tries to battle the guilt not only for what happened to his brother but also in justifying his actions and forcing him to question who truly has become the monster: him or the gang with whom we're meant to despise.

Its just a superbly layered film with a wonderful score, some terrific cinematography and incredible performances from Considine and Kebbell, as well as the supporting cast who make up the antagonists managing to create multiple emotions towards them: pity, contempt, humour and even anger when the film slowly unravels the depths of their abuse towards Anthony. A remarkable film which creates gripping tension as well as manipulating the viewer right from the beginning into this twisted depiction of emotion and revenge, there are so many moments where you are left questioning the nature of each character and where the film can possibly end up. Makes me want to check out everything Considine has ever been involved in since I've always heard about his talent and seen a bit of his work, but never has he wowed me as much as he did in this film.

Oh, as for recommendations. Tyrannosaur by Paddy Considine or Mysterious Skin would be mine. Boy A as well which I adore. All three truly sensational films for me which have left a profound impression on me after watching them.
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Mysterious Skin is really superb. Good shout on that. Boy A is good as well but I'm not as high on that one. Yet to see Tyrannosaur but it does sound like it's in a similar vein to the films mentioned. It's been on TV quite a few times but I've never got around to watching it.
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I could see Boy A being thought of less than the others but I do love it all the same. Really great leading performance by Garfield. A very simple film but one that I thought posed intriguing questions and themes and which had you firmly invested in the lead character.

Tyrannosaur is superb. Peter Mullan & Olivia Colman are just extraordinary as a bitter, violent alcoholic and devout charity worker harbouring a hostile home life respectively. Eddie Marsan is delightfully evil as Colman's loathesome husband and the way the film tackles the respective hardships of both characters and how they can seek solace and escape from their troubled lives in the other's company is remarkable. Some very uncomfortable and harrowing scenes though. Cinematography in particular really stands out in creating this bleak and desolate atmosphere throughout the film imo.
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If i say i'm not that high on Dead man's shoes i will get killed?

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@ asdf, awesome stuff with that list. Surprised how many of those I've seen tbh Lol. Still loads I'm meaning to check out and some I haven't heard of. Surprised something like Repulsion wasn't on there because I watched that last night and found it amazing. Marked for The Birds being that high, I adore that film. You not a fan of Leones other westerns, Good, Bad & Ugly specifically? Good choice for number 1 btw.
I love the Good, Bad & Ugly but i don't think is in the level of Once upon a time..., thinking it better i should put it out there. And the Birds is on the Psycho level at least

Pierrot is probably the only movie i can see puting a fight to Vertigo in my favorite escale, i even wrote an essay on that almost 4 years ago xD. The only other movie there for me are maybe Sans Soleil and Sunrise: a song for two humans


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I'll add it as priority viewing, probably even something for this Sunday

Ok, left my 50's list at 50 choices and my list venture comes to an end, it was fun. Might do a combined list of the 40's , 30's and 20's eventually. I'm sure asdf will do those years thoroughly and I encourage him since his lists are awesome

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asdf: TOO MANY FRENCH MOVIES FROM THE 60's, WTF IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION!? Kidding, great list, probably my favorite of yours and the one i'll be jotting down the most unseen stuff to hunt in the future. Wasn't surprised at your number 1 since I knew that you and Bubz adored it so much. A bit surprised at the low rankings for 2001 and 400 Blows though (wasn't that a 50's movie?). I'll go out on a limb and assume that you haven't seen John Frankenheimer's Seconds? To me that's one of the most intense psychological thrillers of the decade, if you haven't seen it then I strongly recommend that you do, same with They shoot Horses, don't they?.
Great effort like always, even if this time was a little short. And i loved the Mr Arkadin mention, basically because is one of the often forgotten movies from Welles. Also loved the amount of Mizoguchi and italian masters.

Vertigo should had been higher but i can forgive you for that

I'm also adding your recomendations like always to the hue "watch list". The 2001 and 400 (i always have the doubt if this is 59 or 60, whatever) ranking is because i'm not high on them anymore like i was the first time i saw both for different reasons.

And i been planing on keep doing this, i probably can come with the movies but i will be problematic for the 50's, because i believe by heart that is the best era for cinema and when it come to things like Viaggio in Italia, Ordet, Johnny Guitar or Rio Bravo i don't know how to fucking rank'em. At least i have mi number 1 clear .

And thanks for the prop like always, you should also do that last list that you said
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What are your predictions for Best Picture next year? [even though I think it's way too early]
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Just finished watching The 400 Blows, not quite what I was expecting (not even one BJ, let alone 400) and I probably would enjoy it more if I didnt have a bastard of a sinus infection atm but still pretty great and everything I expect from French new wave (could be wrong but isnt this one of the earliest examples of the style?), a gritty real Paris rather than a whimsical one. Loved the young Antoine's performance, seemed able to get little bits of humor across just with a few expressions. Disenfranchised youth is what I got from it, I know someone mentioned its pretty autobiographical for Truffaut, a smart kid too restless for school and too innocent for an institution. Final scene made me think of Quadrophenia of all things lol.

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I don't know because I have no idea what's supposed to be coming out around awards season.
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Just finished watching The 400 Blows, not quite what I was expecting (not even one BJ, let alone 400) and I probably would enjoy it more if I didnt have a bastard of a sinus infection atm but still pretty great and everything I expect from French new wave (could be wrong but isnt this one of the earliest examples of the style?), a gritty real Paris rather than a whimsical one. Loved the young Antoine's performance, seemed able to get little bits of humor across just with a few expressions. Disenfranchised youth is what I got from it, I know someone mentioned its pretty autobiographical for Truffaut, a smart kid too restless for school and too innocent for an institution. Final scene made me think of Quadrophenia of all things lol.
Yes it's. From the Cahiers's circle (Godard, Rivette, Rohmer, Truffaut and Chabrol. The only "real" New wave filmmakers) Truffaut was the only one who came from the working class while the others (specially Rohmer) are from the Middle-class or bourgeois origins, in fact there are stories about truffaut being a thief when he was younger (Along with Godard ). But Truffaut has the privilige of being the protégé of Bazin, who knew the later Cahiers crop from the constant visits they maked to the Cinematique and was the founder of the Cahiers Magazine. Bazin adopted him for his inteligence and passion about cinema or so said the stories xD

Truffaut made more Antoine based movies if you're interested: Antoine and Colette(a short movie) Stolen Kisses, Bed and Board and Love on the Run

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A chance for me to drop my review of Dead Man's Shoes when I first saw it? Like I'm going to pass up that opportunity. Really need to delve into these 50s, 60s and 70s movies that everything is gushing over and I'm just staring blankly at. Sheeeit still need to watch that French film blarg recommended that played on themes from Dead Man's Shoes, in the meantime:
Ha, almost forgot about my Les 7 Jours du Talion recommendation, here's to hoping that your tea has settled


Great review as always, Sir. Don't think i've ever stumbled on this one which is surprising given the amount of times we've discussed DMS. 50's 60's 70's stuff may be hit & miss with you, some of the stuff on my list is certainly not for everyone. I would recommend Naked right off the bat, knowing you I know you'll love that one. It's a dialogue driven movie with thought provoking ideas. The main character is a well educated Nihilist that battles his "inner Demons", and the movie revolves around his interaction with the people that come into his life. It's very loose in that sense, but there's still a sense of structure in the narrative and events unfolding that lend themselves well to the story being told. The performances are great, especially David Thewlis who should've won an Oscar that year but didn't even get nominated. The movie takes place in London and the accents are THICK as molasses, but I doubt that'd be much of an issue with you .







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Great effort like always, even if this time was a little short. And i loved the Mr Arkadin mention, basically because is one of the often forgotten movies from Welles. Also loved the amount of Mizoguchi and italian masters.

Vertigo should had been higher but i can forgive you for that

I'm also adding your recomendations like always to the hue "watch list". The 2001 and 400 (i always have the doubt if this is 59 or 60, whatever) ranking is because i'm not high on them anymore like i was the first time i saw both for different reasons.

And i been planing on keep doing this, i probably can come with the movies but i will be problematic for the 50's, because i believe by heart that is the best era for cinema and when it come to things like Viaggio in Italia, Ordet, Johnny Guitar or Rio Bravo i don't know how to fucking rank'em. At least i have mi number 1 clear .

And thanks for the prop like always, you should also do that last list that you said

Oh shit, completely forgot about Rio Bravo! Consider that having a spiritual spot on my list until I make them tweaks.

and thanks again for the love. Definitely give my two recommendations a shot. They shoot Horses, don't they? is best going into it completely cold Turkey knowing very little about it, but it takes place in the Great Depression Era and it's a fascinating tale of the human condition, one's determination to achieve their goal and the psychological toll it takes. They even spoofed that movie on "Always Sunny" in the episode "The Gang Dances Their Asses Off". Not sure if you're a fan of that show or not but it's popular in these here parts

Seconds is brilliant, a fine psychological thriller if i've ever seen one. Great conclusion too.




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Just finished watching The 400 Blows, not quite what I was expecting (not even one BJ, let alone 400) and I probably would enjoy it more if I didnt have a bastard of a sinus infection atm but still pretty great and everything I expect from French new wave (could be wrong but isnt this one of the earliest examples of the style?), a gritty real Paris rather than a whimsical one. Loved the young Antoine's performance, seemed able to get little bits of humor across just with a few expressions. Disenfranchised youth is what I got from it, I know someone mentioned its pretty autobiographical for Truffaut, a smart kid too restless for school and too innocent for an institution. Final scene made me think of Quadrophenia of all things lol.


Sound overview m'man. Glad you enjoyed it
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