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Not the one in Naked Gun 33⅓...?





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Been a while since I saw Reservoir Dogs, but last time I watched it I still loved it. I've always preferred Pulp Fiction but I never thought 'Dogs was too far behind it.
Reservoir Dogs is just bloated with pointless stories about bullshit. At one time I found this interesting, but now it's just pointless gratuitous drivel. E. Lois, Like a Virgin, the commode story...all just bullshit and frankly a waste of time. I still put it above Kill Bill though. Kill Bill is the epitome of all style no substance.


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Not the one in Naked Gun 33⅓...?




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This. I love Dogs though. His writing felt a lot sharper and funnier in that era and I thought Keitel gave the movie a lot of heart. I'm not denying that there aren't pointless, rambling scenes though. I mean, it is Tarantino. He's never met a monologue he didn't fall wildly in love with.

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Aside from the fact that Reservoir Dogs was a near blatant rip-off of Ringo Lam's City on Fire, i'd say it was decent enough for what it was. As a stylised drama, it's much more enjoyable than alot of flicks. I've never been very high on Tarantino though, he borrows concepts from dozens of different movies and rarely cites any of his source material. It's one thing to concoct a bunch of elements and make something fresh of it, but at least give credit where credit is due.

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This is Hollywood, everyone rips somebody off. Giving due credit would take forever.
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Aside from the fact that Reservoir Dogs was a near blatant rip-off of Ringo Lam's City on Fire, i'd say it was decent enough for what it was. As a stylised drama, it's much more enjoyable than alot of flicks. I've never been very high on Tarantino though, he borrows concepts from dozens of different movies and rarely cites any of his source material. It's one thing to concoct a bunch of elements and make something fresh of it, but at least give credit where credit is due.
I don't think that this is necessary at all. Using a Godard quote in Jarmusch Words "It's not where you take things from - It's where you take them to"

when you use a collage of references the important thing is how you use it, in the Tarantino case he put all this references to form a new concept, The images take antoher value when you transform the sign with the power of the montage.

This is something very comun in the Post-modern cinema in wich Tarantino can be classified, i will even say that this is the main issue in this kind of film, is more about how you relate to images than about another issue



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This is Hollywood, everyone rips somebody off. Giving due credit would take forever.
True, but some do it more frequently and blatantly. Quentin's movies are obviously not in the same league as your run of the mill quick cash-crab teen flick, he actually has a reputation in Hollywood for being original when that's far from the truth. The aforementioned City on Fire and Reservoir Dogs share scenes that are near identical, and the plot if also frightenly similar. I won't even get into small nuances like Kill Bill's jumpsuit scene being taken from Game of Death (or nearly the entire plot taken from Lady Snowblood).

It just gets annoying. Tarantino is an admitted cinephile that watches obscure movies, yet goes onto interview shows like Charlie Rose and takes full credit for the stuff he's done without referencing anything. It's one thing to be inspired by other movies, but when you're taking this much stuff to the point of actually recreating scenes, then that's another thing altogether.

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Well it's not like I'm ever gonna watch all these films he rips off, never even heard of City on Fire and probably never would have if not for Quentin. I like his films and don't really spend time nitpicking like some people. To each his own I guess.
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I don't think that this is necessary at all. Using a Godard quote in Jarmusch Words "It's not where you take things from - It's where you take them to"

when you use a collage of references the important thing is how you use it, in the Tarantino case he put all this references to form a new concept, The images take antoher value when you transform the sign with the power of the montage.

This is something very comun in the Post-modern cinema in wich Tarantino can be classified, i will even say that this is the main issue in this kind of film, is more about how you relate to images than about another issue
I'm not against Tarantino taking elements from other places, I just hate the fact that he's built his career on it without showing any type of modesty or respect for the art he's taken from.

What he's doing is building himself a variorum of sorts, then he's molding it to fit his vision. I'm cool with that, but at least take responsibility and man up to doing that instead of comfortably resting on your laurels and basking in the perceived stigma that you're some sort of creative genius with original ideas. In my opinion, he's not.He has a pulse on pop culture, he knows what is hip, he's very good in writing frivolous Gen-X dialogue and he's very good at taking pre-constructed concepts and blending it into something fresh, but that's the limit of my praise for him. It's not even a thing like Stanley Kubrick being inspired by a Stephen King novel, these concepts he's borrowing were actually acted out and executed on screen.


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