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Old 12-15-2012, 07:14 PM   #1621 (permalink)
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Hitchcock said that about scripts because he had no idea how to write them himself and wouldn't let his ego admit that something he couldn't or didn't have the appropriate discipline to do was remotely important. He also called actors cattle because he was no doubt envious of the skill involved in the profession.
You have a source for this? is the first time i read it.

Is curious because i have read numbers of Hitchcock interviews (specially the ones he made with Truffaut and Cahiers) were openly admit, in the majority, that he thinks dialogue is important for suspense, but he is unable to make all the dialogue for a movie, beacuse he doesn't believe is a serious part of the films. Even then he was able to read the work of the guionist and change every part that wasn't to the direction he was thinking in his mind

Wich surprise me more is the part of the envious, Hitchcock treated actors like cattle because in his mind they was messing with his work. In the mind of a filmmaker who are perfectionist like Hitchcock, giving power to a actor mean that you lost power over your work, if you are open to let the actor take the lead about how he play his role you are letting they to change what you think about how the movie needs to be, and then you're open to uncertainty.

This is one of the reasons there are theories of cinema, since Bresson, who don't let professional actors to be in movies. You made movies with people portraying himself, nothing more.

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No script imo usually equals indulgence because the film starts to lose sight of a cohesive narrative. But then narrative is not for everyone.
I'm not against narrative in itself, even if i think is exhausted since the 50's, i'm against the primacy of narrative. This "everything needs to made sense" absurdity. Wich is funny, is that many critics and the people believe in this and then you look at polls like the Sight and Sound one (probably the more serious one) and Vertigo is the winner, when the movie is the kingdom of the plot holes.


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Also the world will never be crying out for a Tarantino directorial Oscar like they were for Scorsese. Tarantino only has one filmmaking style, it's effective but he has not proven to have any versatility at all. I'm fine with him never winning that award.
depend of what you understand for style. Scorsese is also one dimentional (like almost all the filmmakers in the world), his movies can be summed in a character entering in a decendent spiral until one act or event let him access to redemption (even in death). Scorsese has touch many more genres, but this is also because he is obssesed with the portraying of America and his movies are about that issue more than the genre in itself. Not denying nothing form Scorsese, the guy is the most importanta American director since the 70's (with Eastwood)

Tarantino on the other side is more about experimentation in the way he works, you seem to see a movie heavily reling on dialogue, but the dialogue take you to no nowhere. So he, constanstly tries to change how the dialogue functs in the movies, this is one of the reasons for him losing the fans from his 90's work who seems to believe that he is a "noir" and "gangster-violent" filmmaker.

i'm also fine with him not winning the oscar, but for the fact that the award is just a bunch of political, moral and marketing thing, just like any other award. So if he doesn't win it, it will not chhange anything about his career.
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Old 12-15-2012, 07:25 PM   #1622 (permalink)
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Ted was pretty bad. Safety Not Guaranteed was great.

Go watch the latter if you haven't already.

On tap: Killer Joe, The Amazing Spiderman, Moonrise Kingdom.

Maybe I'll get around to nabbing up Prometheus atm.
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I don't think Tarantino having one particular style is a bad thing at all. I also think he's tried his hand at a bunch of genres too. Gangster/Crime, Martial Arts/Action, Thriller, War, exploitation (although you could see most of his films fitting into this genre) and now Western. He's obviously got a certain style he injects into all of those genres though, but for me that's a good thing and I love his 'style'. I watched Kill Bill again recently and it's brilliant in terms of the dialogue, being experimental with visuals and sound and as a tribute to cinema in general. I love the way he pays tribute to so many different genres and films in his own movies, and although he borrows ideas from them and he wears that on his sleeve (he openly says he borrows from every film he's ever seen), he adds his own twist that makes it unique and exciting. One of my favourite directors ever and I can't wait to see Django.
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Tarantino is one style: Badass.

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Just got done watching Looper and Blu Ray. It's a very good movie but nowhere near the best of the year, I would say that it is one of but certainly not the best, or even top 3.

Out of 5, I would say it's a solid 3.5. It reminds me a bit of Source Code. A weird idea, that just works due to its well crafted script. Looper is a bold, daring effort and is something you hardly see in movies today- creativity.
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Ted was pretty bad. Safety Not Guaranteed was great.

Go watch the latter if you haven't already.

On tap: Killer Joe, The Amazing Spiderman, Moonrise Kingdom.

Maybe I'll get around to nabbing up Prometheus atm.
Killer Joe is fucking awesome! A top 10 for me easily. Still don't get why it's rated NC-17. It's not that violent. Ok, it does have nudity, but who cares? It will never cease to amaze me how The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo in all its violence, sex and a disturbing rape scene get away with an R yet Killer Joe is this "Keep it away from the kids" movie. Then again, TGWTDT had hype and was destined to be a box office success, there's no way we could have hampered with that by labeling it NC-17.

Moonrise Kingdom, I find overrated. Easily forgettable if you ask me. Would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it but it's something I don't care to ever see again.

Spiderman meh. I rather watch the original. The new one just lacked character imo. Wasn't much reason to care.

I've had Prometheus on Blu Ray for the longest damn time, just still haven't come around to watching it yet.

Oh and Ted was ok. I think fans of Family Guy would enjoy it. It just kind of overstayed its welcome coming down to the end. I have Safety Not Guaranteed downloaded, will give it a watch tomorrow.
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watched "Re-Animator" good fucking movie somehow.

watched "The Toxic Avenger" fun. not good, fun.
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Killer Joe is fucking awesome! A top 10 for me easily. Still don't get why it's rated NC-17. It's not that violent. Ok, it does have nudity, but who cares? It will never cease to amaze me how The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo in all its violence, sex and a disturbing rape scene get away with an R yet Killer Joe is this "Keep it away from the kids" movie. Then again, TGWTDT had hype and was destined to be a box office success, there's no way we could have hampered with that by labeling it NC-17.

Moonrise Kingdom, I find overrated. Easily forgettable if you ask me. Would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy it but it's something I don't care to ever see again.

Spiderman meh. I rather watch the original. The new one just lacked character imo. Wasn't much reason to care.

I've had Prometheus on Blu Ray for the longest damn time, just still haven't come around to watching it yet.

Oh and Ted was ok. I think fans of Family Guy would enjoy it. It just kind of overstayed its welcome coming down to the end. I have Safety Not Guaranteed downloaded, will give it a watch tomorrow.
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I'll be making the rounds on all the rest soon. Might cram a bunch tonight. It's one of those weekends. Appreciate the feedback. Killer Joe will probably be next for me. It's gotten praise on here and I never heard about it prior. So my curiosity is REALLY high. I hope I like Spiderman. I liked the original trilogy, and superhero movies for me this year split the difference, so hopefully this lands in the good pile with The Dark Knight Rises.

Prometheus should be interesting. O'll hopefully dig it. After a slew of comedies lately I need a interesting sci-fi flick to give me something to talk about.

Downloaded The Five Year Engagement, Rock of Ages, The Hunger Games, & Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Dog Days today. Watched the latter. It was fun. I'd say the weakest of the series so far, but another good movie overall. Hoping there is a fourth. It's a fun franchise that I enjoy.
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