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Old 01-29-2013, 08:22 PM   #241 (permalink)
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James Dean is overrated. Love his 3 classic performances, and no doubt he has been a huge influence (Day-Lewis said he was his biggest influence), but so many over the years have claimed he would have had an amazing career and puts him up beside guys like Brando or Olivier, and that is a bit much. He doesn't deserve that sort of praise, he only was great for over a year and then died.
I believe people applaud Dean mostly for the rebel image that he cultivated and his cultural impact, rather than his seemingly short-lived acting career. One could certainly argue that his influence is akin to or even bigger than Brando or Olivier.

East of Eden was his best work. I didn't particularly care for him in Rebel Without a Cause, though.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:11 PM   #242 (permalink)
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Yeah shame on Spike for looking out for black actors and giving them roles that don't require men to put on a dress or require someone to be a slave, criminal, extremely poor, or maid.
Tyler Perry's bank account doesn't mind. Especially when he's the guy who MAKES the flicks - not just cast in them. Not to mention the only people who seem to buy into the franchise are black people...

But it's totally racist. Thankfully Spike is out there being an idiot. Making nothing issues into something.

What's next, a Jewish person who plays a Holocaust victim is going to be offended? C'mon.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:17 PM   #243 (permalink)
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Tyler Perry's bank account doesn't mind.
You're missing the point of why that's a problem.

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Especially when he's the guy who MAKES the flicks - not just cast in them.
That way studios can get away with doing it and not have to worry about being criticized. Like when they had Oprah and Tyler Perry as the "executive producers" for Precious.


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But it's totally racist.
What exactly is racist? Spike looking out for black actors? Trying to give them non-stereotypical roles?

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What's next, a Jewish person who plays a Holocaust victim is going to be offended? C'mon.
Where are you going with this?
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:31 PM   #244 (permalink)
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You brought up "slave" casting as one of the things Spike tries to steer black actors/actresses away from. There isn't anything wrong with it considering it's factual. IE like a Jewish person being a captive in the Holocaust. No sense in looking at it as a negative when it isn't originally meant to be that.

If Tyler Perry (or anyone who's done anything that would be viewed as "negative" for whatever reason) had a problem with making the flicks, then he wouldn't do them. It's that simple.

The racist line was sarcasm. Sarcasm towards someone like Tyler Perry making movies about him being a crazy, semi-ghetto women from Georgia and meant to be portrayed as a stereotype. If anything he's doing a parody/satire. Believe he's said it was inspired by his family or someone he knew. No harm, no foul.

Besides, why does Spike need to "look out" for fellow actors who are black? They can make their own decisions. I'm certain a good number out there have plenty of respect and don't often get shit roles b/c of their race. Problem with Spike is he seems paranoid. Or along the lines of those guys out there who have such a fixation towards race and how everyone out there is racist b/c of one thing that doesn't curry their favor. (that's not a thing towards black people only. It goes that route for ignorant whites, hispanics, etc.)
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:31 PM   #245 (permalink)
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Breaking Bad, while great, cannot be among the elite of TV series because the main character is an uber-asshole...and really, there are no good people on the show.

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Old 01-29-2013, 09:39 PM   #246 (permalink)
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Thats a fucking silly opinion Mikey. Its the story that matters, not how likeable the character is.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:42 PM   #247 (permalink)
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That's interesting. It's almost like what Larry David and the cast of Seinfeld say about those characters. How anyone could love them despite being selfish, neurotic, narcissistic, nearly soulless individuals is beyond them.

But we all know why. b/c people like that are real. I appreciate that. Only care about your friends. Not every single person you meet.
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Old 01-29-2013, 09:55 PM   #248 (permalink)
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You brought up "slave" casting as one of the things Spike tries to steer black actors/actresses away from. There isn't anything wrong with it considering it's factual.
But when movies like that frequently are made and in the end of the movie the slaves don't really get any power or elevate their status then it becomes a problem.


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If Tyler Perry (or anyone who's done anything that would be viewed as "negative" for whatever reason) had a problem with making the flicks, then he wouldn't do them. It's that simple.
If someone doesn't have a soul and is willing to perpetuate stereotypes and Hollywood archetypes for a profit then that's on him. Perry really panders to the black religious crowd so they'll always see his movies no matter what. That's his niche audience. They blindly support him without realizing the negative effects of his movies.

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The racist line was sarcasm. Sarcasm towards someone like Tyler Perry making movies about him being a crazy, semi-ghetto women from Georgia and meant to be portrayed as a stereotype. If anything he's doing a parody/satire. Believe he's said it was inspired by his family or someone he knew. No harm, no foul.
It's not satire. It's complete buffoonery. Many critics have called his Madea movies modern day minstrel shows which isn't that far from the truth.

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Besides, why does Spike need to "look out" for fellow actors who are black? They can make their own decisions. I'm certain a good number out there have plenty of respect and don't often get shit roles b/c of their race. Problem with Spike is he seems paranoid. Or along the lines of those guys out there who have such a fixation towards race and how everyone out there is racist b/c of one thing that doesn't curry their favor.
I'll agree that Spike sometimes can get paranoid but he raises some good points at times. Spike wants to at least give the option of positive roles for black actors and do movies that most directors would be scared to do (i.e. Malcolm X, Miracle at St. Anna). The actors can make their own decisions but it gets annoying to see talented actors with years of experience getting awards for playing degrading characters.
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Old 01-29-2013, 10:10 PM   #249 (permalink)
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But when movies like that frequently are made and in the end of the movie the slaves don't really get any power or elevate their status then it becomes a problem.




If someone doesn't have a soul and is willing to perpetuate stereotypes and Hollywood archetypes for a profit then that's on him. Perry really panders to the black religious crowd so they'll always see his movies no matter what. That's his niche audience. They blindly support him without realizing the negative effects of his movies.



It's not satire. It's complete buffoonery. Many critics have called his Madea movies modern day minstrel shows which isn't that far from the truth.



I'll agree that Spike sometimes can get paranoid but he raises some good points at times. Spike wants to at least give the option of positive roles for black actors and do movies that most directors would be scared to do (i.e. Malcolm X, Miracle at St. Anna). The actors can make their own decisions but it gets annoying to see talented actors with years of experience getting awards for playing degrading characters.
The name of the game sometimes. Far, far from advocating such awful things like slavery, only, it wasn't a process that had many happy endings.

Indeed. It is on him. It's why I choose not to care. Much like it's all on the people who support and watch the flicks too. I've ranted on Tyler Perry's movies plenty of times. I think they're awful. Only my point here is, if Tyler Perry doesn't mind (which he doesn't) then he'll continue to make these types of flicks. I don't support em. Merely being a realist. Money talks.

Fair enough on that point. Nothing wrong with wanting to "go there" with movies. It seems like he's trying to do something to make things level among actors, instead - in my view - he's going about in poor fashion. Fights racism by adding a bit of ignorance. There is certainly a better way than that.

We have our reasons for the like/dislike we have towards the guy. We've let it be known here.
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I liked Cloverfield and followed the viral marketing religiously.
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