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Old 09-07-2012, 09:34 PM   #201 (permalink)
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if someone is the brains in an operation then they should be the mastermind. i was interchanging terms. my point was that neither had good brains in this game. you think boogie was the brain and i'm saying that he ruined frank's game, which made him inefficient.

my point is that boogie didn't help frank's game, but once. he created the secret six w/ some help, but that vanishes when boogie squashed frank's plan to backdoor dan, which ruined their game.

i see your point, he was in control, but i'm talking about how effective he was. boogie lost me when he basically said he would go vegetable if the coaches cut frank.

dan has gotten lucky in this game especially with frank going out quietly, but he can't win unless he gets the F4 POV. the changes in the jury format is going to screw him out the win he deserves.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:48 PM   #202 (permalink)
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if someone is the brains in an operation then they should be the mastermind. i was interchanging terms. my point was that neither had good brains in this game. you think boogie was the brain and i'm saying that he ruined frank's game, which made him inefficient.

my point is that boogie didn't help frank's game, but once. he created the secret six w/ some help, but that vanishes when boogie squashed frank's plan to backdoor dan, which ruined their game.

i see your point, he was in control, but i'm talking about how effective he was. boogie lost me when he basically said he would go vegetable if the coaches cut frank.

dan has gotten lucky in this game especially with frank going out quietly, but he can't win unless he gets the F4 POV. the changes in the jury format is going to screw him out the win he deserves.
Well we agreed on the scope of Mike's skills as a brain but it's not even an argument as to the roles they played. Frank was the force of competitive nature & Mike directed the traffic. As to the scale, he's too arrogant to be effective, which is why Dr. Will muled him.

As to Dan, he did the right thing, what I've said since Frank went on this tear, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knew to get rid of Frank. He's not someone that can be beat in a Final 2. No one, not even Dan, had a chance in Hell against him.
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Old 09-07-2012, 10:11 PM   #203 (permalink)
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i was pointing out that boogie was just as clueless. i knew frank was in trouble when he told people he read books about manipulating others before coming in. his one strategic move, which was blowing up the willie/wil thing only worked b/c of a perfect storm of events.

dan should have let ian break the tie, but a lot of things prevented that from happening. dan was going to do it at first, but the DR got involved too many times in the week for dan to let ian have the vote.

as for the final two thing i actually disagree. frank would get a 4-3 victory at best if he lined up against anyone from the quack pack. there's just as many scenarios where he could easily lose.

i know frank is coming back for another season, but he's fucked as soon as he does. he'll be target number one right off the back. he also disappointed me b/c he didn't blow dan's game up. he's probably the new jesse for production. ian will fare better when he comes back. shane would have been a guarantee to get an invite back if he committed to showmance with crazy dani.
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Ian is the new HOH, and he nominated Shane and Jenn for eviction. Dan looks like he talked him into it. I don't know if it's smarter to get Dan out now or wait a little bit longer and get a physical threat like Shane out now for future POVs/HOH)
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Old 09-08-2012, 12:41 PM   #205 (permalink)
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i was pointing out that boogie was just as clueless. i knew frank was in trouble when he told people he read books about manipulating others before coming in. his one strategic move, which was blowing up the willie/wil thing only worked b/c of a perfect storm of events.

dan should have let ian break the tie, but a lot of things prevented that from happening. dan was going to do it at first, but the DR got involved too many times in the week for dan to let ian have the vote.

as for the final two thing i actually disagree. frank would get a 4-3 victory at best if he lined up against anyone from the quack pack. there's just as many scenarios where he could easily lose.

i know frank is coming back for another season, but he's fucked as soon as he does. he'll be target number one right off the back. he also disappointed me b/c he didn't blow dan's game up. he's probably the new jesse for production. ian will fare better when he comes back. shane would have been a guarantee to get an invite back if he committed to showmance with crazy dani.
Ever find it slightly off that you're the only guy that thinks Frank is such a weak play in the Final 2? Next to none of the viewers agree on any Forum where they discuss these things. Dan & Ian have said HOW many times on the Live Feeds that Frank is a major threat to them & their game if he made it too far in the game & what has their reasoning been consistently?

Frank's been an absolute monster in the game. He wins everything, survives damn near everything, & he did face to face. Guy was extremely loyal to a select group & was always willing to make himself a target to get it done.

Dunno about you, but EVERY TIME they get a jury together, they reminisce over who screwed them over, who stabbed them in the back, who lied to them on bibles / kids / God / etc. , & how tried to float. Frank wins out in every single one of those categories. Even as they cast the votes in the finale, they're still throwing barbs at whoever screwed them.

There's a reason these guys wanted him out & quick.
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i don't what big brother boards you read, but the idea of frank losing against a quack pack member is pretty common.

frank was a competition threat. i never argued against that so your talking about what dan and ian has very little to what i was saying. i was saying i knew his social game and strategic game was in trouble when he told janelle he read books about manipulating people. bashing frank's social game is a common occurrence on the feeds it has been for the whole summer.

my point was that frank was going to end up going to the final two w/ a quack pack member and it wouldn't have been a sure victory. my point being is that frank has two locked votes and any quack member has at least 3 locked votes.

dan would have ian, brit, and dani for sure and shane would probably vote w/ them.

ian would have had dan, brit, dani, and shane. joe would probably give ian a vote and he isn't fond of either of them.

dani would have brit, shane, dan for sure and joe and shane are tight and would most likely vote together. ian would probably give it to her since he would most likely vote w/ brit and was done w/ frank the moment he sent brit out.

shane would have had joe, dani, brit. ian would give shane the vote b/c he's die hard quackpack.

that's why i said he would win 4-3 at best w/ plenty of scenarios that have him losing.

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i don't what big brother boards you read, but the idea of frank losing against a quack pack member is pretty common.

frank was a competition threat. i never argued against that so your talking about what dan and ian has very little to what i was saying. i was saying i knew his social game and strategic game was in trouble when he told janelle he read books about manipulating people. bashing frank's social game is a common occurrence on the feeds it has been for the whole summer.

my point was that frank was going to end up going to the final two w/ a quack pack member and it wouldn't have been a sure victory. my point being is that frank has two locked votes and any quack member has at least 3 locked votes.

dan would have ian, brit, and dani for sure and shane would probably vote w/ them.

ian would have had dan, brit, dani, and shane. joe would probably give ian a vote and he isn't fond of either of them.

dani would have brit, shane, dan for sure and joe and shane are tight and would most likely vote together. ian would probably give it to her since he would most likely vote w/ brit and was done w/ frank the moment he sent brit out.

shane would have had joe, dani, brit. ian would give shane the vote b/c he's die hard quackpack.

that's why i said he would win 4-3 at best w/ plenty of scenarios that have him losing.
In the same manner you claim I miss your point, you've missed mine entirely.

Frank would get the votes across party lines based purely on his abilities within the game. As a matter of fact, your premise that the jury members would MAINTAIN their loyalty after being evicted hasn't held up in past seasons.

Those guys are going to get out, look at the body of work of the 2 competitors & make a decision based on their pooled knowledge. Only the weakest, most bitter players hold to past grudges over skill shown, kicking ass in the game. People have voted for players they HATED, that they opposed within the game based on their game play, based on them being willing to go out their & do their damnedest.

The very idea that you can count jury votes for the Final 2 based on alliances in the game currently, is insane to be kind.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:27 AM   #208 (permalink)
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do you remember the last two juries? b/c the last two winners barely got wins over players that they should have beaten in a landslide.

the last two jury votes were 4-3 in big brother. strong players like brendon and rachel voted for lane over hayden b/c they liked him better or felt wrong by hayden, i barely remember and britney voted the same exact way and she had an alliance with lane.

last season you had kalia and dani voting for their alliance member in porsche who had no business getting votes. you had adam voting for her just b/c she was a newbie.

those two juries show you that people vote personally against competition beasts and that alliances vote for each other. why i think frank has a good shot of losing is b/c porsche only had two members in the jury. the quack pack/headhunters cover about 5 votes.

the only person that could be in the jury that seems level headed enough to give frank his vote against the quack pack is dan and he would only give frank that vote if he was against shane. he would want dani to win b/c his goal is to win or to coach a player to win and he would vote for ian b/c ian played a better game.

brit in her exit interviews is rooting for dan, ian, and dani. she's said that dan and ian were playing the best game in the house. she doesn't veiw things in a purely competition sense and she dislikes frank and is known to vote for who she likes better.

dani is delusional and legitimately crazy and detests frank. she would never vote for him. frank put her up the block twice and every time he tried to campaign to her she threw it in his face and shut him down. she's very bitter.

shane is a blank slate who listens to everyone else. the people who be in his ear is britney and dani who can get him to do whatever. he is also big on his word and he'll want one of them to win.

ian is quite strange in the sense that he's undeniably loyal. he thinks dan has played the best game in the house, and he doesn't want to blow up the quack pack b/c he wants his alliance to go down in big brother history. he wants julie chen to greet the housegests by saying hello quack pack. he'll want to see one of them win.

joe basically follows shane lead on everything and will vote w/ him. they've been doing it the whole game.

what you said doesn't change my point. if frank ended up against any quack member he'll only win by a 4-3 vote at best and if that's the case he has a good shot at losing b/c it only takes one swing. you assume that it's a slam dunk win for him and 4-3 isn't a slam dunk.
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Ian needs to wake the fuck up and back door Dan this week. Otherwise, he's gone next.
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Dan's an idiot for not getting Shane out. He's gone soon because of that.
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