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Old 01-19-2013, 08:27 AM   #3131 (permalink)
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isn't whatever Robert Strong is headless? Is Qyburn going to have to break out the westeros equivelent to a video game controller to help him fight?
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:51 AM   #3132 (permalink)
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Do you think Grey Wind is really dead?

The only account of his death comes from the Frey's. None of the POV's sees Grey Wind's head on Robb's body. What if he actually escaped and the Frey's covered it up to further embarrass Robb and the North? There were a lot of moving parts to the Red Wedding, and it is possible for the characters who have relied the story to others to get events and happenings misconstrued.

Also what I found interesting is in A Dance With Dragons, in a Bran chapter speaking to Summer he says "no we have another pack. Lady's dead and maybe Grey Wind, too, but somewhere there's still Shaggy Dog and Nymeria and Ghost. Remember Ghost?"

I don't know, what;s the point of the maybe? Surely Bran with his warging ability could tell definitively if Grey Wind is dead could he not? Yet he can't.

Perhaps it's just wishful thinking to me, that Grey Wind is alive, and perhaps will make his way to Sansa one day, and she too will realize her Stark warging ability and join her living siblings.
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I think Grey Wind is dead.

But it is an interesting theory that has made me think.

Martin never writes anything by accident and he did make sure he told you the reader that Raynald Westerling freed Grey Wind from his chains. What was the point of telling you that? To show that even in his final moments Grey Wind was ferocious and killed some Freys? Maybe, but that had all ready been long established that Grey Wind was killer. Was it really worth driving home that point one more time? I don't know. That's not really like Martin to do that.

And if Grey Wind being at that wedding and chained was simply a plot point to get to his head being sewed to Robb's body, then, again, why tell us the reader he was freed? Wouldn't a plot point of the Frey's simply having shot him full of arrows while still chained, made more sense? Especially since it would have left the reader with a what if. What if Grey Wind got free, what if Grey Wind could have saved Robb, etc. Yet, Martin tells us he was freed.

So I will admit, it is an interesting theory, that made me think about the Red Wedding and it's aftermath again, and while there are definitely some things that would make me think that perhaps, perhaps, you're on to something, I don't think that is likely to come to fruition. He's dead.
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Robb and Grey Wind live on, not as 2 different beings, but as ROBB WIND.
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The Hound finally gets his chance to best his brother.
Well that is what would happen in most books. I'm not sure, though. How are they plausibly going to meet up? Sandor monk hears of a Giant Undead guy and forsakes his vows and goes to kill them? Eh.

Grey Wind is fairly dead, too btw. I don't see how you can say the Starks are the antagonists, though. It'd be one of those swerves for the sake of it that are always kind of dumb.


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Ew. Brandon Sanderson is good at what he does. What he does not do is write anything like GRRM though. No swear words, no sex *shudder* it'd be a completely different series. (A memory of light was pretty good though and at least he did finish Wheel of Time)


I thought quite a lot happened in Dance and thought it was a pretty good book, probably better than Clash of Kings? The Theon stuff was top notch and even if it's not directly relevant to the plot it's some of the most chilling character stuff I've read. I thought the wall mobilising and preparing for the others was something that needed to happen. The Aegon stuff was awesome too, I thought.

I definitely dig the Quentyn hate, which seems to be a 'nice guys finish last' lesson. As like Quentyn seemed a pretty nice guy. But the thing is we kind of already knew that with Ned Stark, did we not? We've seen it a few times, in fact. It just felt like a lot of bloat within the books and Quentyn's POV didn't really do anything.
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There are pilgrimages going on as of book 4 or 5. Cercei reinstated the militant arm of the Seven. Sandor just happens to be a pretty good with a sword. So he'll make his way back to King's Landing and...

Q is just a people die when taming dragons lesson. Bad guys, good guys, everyone dies in A Song of Ice and Fire. It definitely served a purpose though. Martells will now hate Dany.
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Well yeah, but did he need to be a POV character to die? His POV's weren't that bad, they just seem kind of pointless.

Given the way Sandor was described by the monk on the island I'd have thought him taking up a sword in anything but self defense would have been weird, really. But it's probably a plausible way to get him there, alright.
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Perhaps that monastery is attacked and destroyed, Sandor the only survivor. Pilgrimage time to take up the sword again.

Yeah I think he did. Gets us to know the character that will fuel the Martells to oppose Dany. Now if the Martells don't oppose her, I'll WTF the point of Quentyn too. Oh yeah, Q also further showed what a dumbass Dany is too.
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