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Old 11-11-2012, 08:19 PM   #3011 (permalink)
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Hasn't Jon Snow suffered enough?

-Had to live around Catelyn for most of his life
-Known as a bastard
-Got his ass sent to the wall
-Got his face clawed by an eagle
-Burnt his hand
-Finds the love of his life, she gets killed
-Gets stabbed by his brothers in some Julius Caesar type assassination plot

I think only Bran is second to him in terms of suffering:

-Witnesses sex for the first time, paralyzed for life
-Becomes Lord of Winterfell, gets taken over by Theon Greyjoy

Meanwhile, Sansa, Arya and Rickon have got it made in the shade. And Robb, well...he's going to be resurrected as some kind of crazy-ass Wolf-Head Super Zombie.
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Snow's consciousness will be fine. He warged in to Ghost so even if it takes Mel awhile to resurrect him, he'll be back, but like Faraday said, more feral and like a DIREWOLF. And with supercharged powers of Light.

How is that not awesome?

Also Victarion was resurrected as a supercharged soldier of Light, and he became at least 54 times more amazing.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:33 PM   #3013 (permalink)
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Snow's consciousness will be fine. He warged in to Ghost so even if it takes Mel awhile to resurrect him, he'll be back, but like Faraday said, more feral and like a DIREWOLF. And with supercharged powers of Light.

How is that not awesome?

Also Victarion was resurrected as a supercharged soldier of Light, and he became at least 54 times more amazing.
Whoa whoa whoa, when did Jon Snow warg? Is there a Winds of Winter chapter I have not read (I only know about Theon's chapter)

And was Victarion resurrected when Moqorro healed his hand?
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Oh I'm not 100% sure Jon did warg into Ghost. Just a theory I've had since he died. He might not even have died there. We just don't know.

It's also only a theory that Vic died and Moq brought him back as an amazing Other of Light.
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Jon has had very little suffering compared to other characters.

Arya - Nine year old girl, watches on as her father is executed, is taken away as a prisoner, forced to spend time with some horrific people, attacked by the Kings men and is nearly killed, a prisoner in Harrenhal and tortured by the Tickler, captured by THE HOUND, is inches away from her mother and brother finally to have it all finally taken away from her in the Red Wedding. All of that for a 9 year old girl.

Daenerys - Hunted since a young child, her entire family destroyed, her brother treats her awfully, forced to marry a barbarian at a young age, falls in love with said barbarian only for him to die, loses her child, numerous attempts made on her life. Eventually finds out that the one person who she thought she could trust and the person who she arguably loved (part of her definitely loved Jorah) turns out to have been a traitor.

Sandor Clegane - Burned and disfigured as a child, Gregor also possibly tortured him every moment of his childhood. Never had a real childhood or a loving family, all of his innocence robbed from him. His entire life has been miserable. Possibly the most tormented character in the series.

Theon - This guy has clearly had it the worst. Flayed, has hid his fingers and toes cut off. Beaten, tortured, had his teeth taken out. He is a complete shell of his former self, he has been mentally and physically tortured. He doesn't even know who he is anymore. I think its also strongly suggested that Ramsay has had him gelded. He's been raped by Ramsay and he's had to take part in some pretty horrifying sexual acts with both Ramsay and Jeyne Poole.

And there are many more. Jon has had it pretty damn cosy his entire life.
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Hasn't Jon Snow suffered enough?

-Had to live around Catelyn for most of his life
-Known as a bastard
-Got his ass sent to the wall
-Got his face clawed by an eagle
-Burnt his hand
-Finds the love of his life, she gets killed
-Gets stabbed by his brothers in some Julius Caesar type assassination plot

I think only Bran is second to him in terms of suffering:

-Witnesses sex for the first time, paralyzed for life
-Becomes Lord of Winterfell, gets taken over by Theon Greyjoy

Meanwhile, Sansa, Arya and Rickon have got it made in the shade. And Robb, well...he's going to be resurrected as some kind of crazy-ass Wolf-Head Super Zombie.
Sansa's living with a creepy pedophile and suffered mental and physical abuse at the hand of Joffrey and his Kingsguard. Hardly made in the shade!

I wouldn't say Jon has had it cozy or anything of course, I just think the Stark's have to fall before they can rise again. They're probably just about done falling now, though. Rickon the King of Winter, AryaAssasin, SansaLadyoftheVale, BranWARG and Jon TargStark? Probably not gonna get happy endings for them all, though.

And the reasoning behind Jon warging is the fact he's obvnotdead + the fact we see the warg in the prologue. It hardly seems worthwhile killing him to just raise him without any damage, other than it maybe technically freeing him of his vows? Hmm. Still think he's warging into ghost for [length of time] and returning to his/a body as far more feral and different.

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Yeah the key is that prologue. Varamyr lays out the rules for warging and he even mentions how powerful of a warg Jon Snow is.
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Martin has also said we will be getting a POV in the Land of Always Winter. The only way I can see that happening other than a Prologue/Epilogue with Benjen Stark or Coldhands as the narrators will be if Jon has warged into Ghost and has traveled north. It'll be a good chance of showing us The Other's and their society without putting any of our characters in any danger.
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Or you know, Bran and the crew, maybe we finally get a Hodor chapter!
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one thing, i really like about this series is that there are so many layers to story. Take for example Valonqar prophecy. it says that a younger sibling would kill Cersei. And there are so many younger siblings running around. Arya, Sandor, Euron, Jaime, Tyrion, Sansa. I think Valonqar would be Euron. My theory is that Euron is getting a dragon pretty early in Winds, via Victarion. The ships that Iron fleet lost on their journey to Slaver bay, would return to kings landing on Euron's plan. Euron would attack the capital riding a dragon. I think it could happen. i means Euron had to sit Throne, otherwise what is the point of his introduction.
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