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Old 11-09-2012, 02:50 PM   #2971 (permalink)
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What I love about Vic is that he's a blunt hammer to the face in a book filled with backstabbing schemers. His and Barristan's chapters were very refreshing toward the end of Dance. Can't wait for these two to clash.

Plus he has such a wicked twisted sense of honor. He's totally fucked in the head and is a pure psyhcopath. You know Moqorro has to be just as wicked and twisted by giving Big Vic the gift.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:05 PM   #2972 (permalink)
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This guy played through Skyrim using no weapons and the whole time I'm thinking, badass viking? Victarion Greyjoy.



Barristan is an OG. He HAS to serve royalty so when he gets dismissed what does he do? Travels to the other side of the world and finds Daenerys, rightful Queen.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:50 PM   #2973 (permalink)
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This thread is alive!!! :

I'm convinced the GRRM is gonna wrap it up with someone coming out on top in Queen's Landing, only to kill off every character with the White Walkers
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:00 PM   #2974 (permalink)
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'But the Others had no care for who had won the Iron Throne or his story, and as they poured over the land and into the city, the man who thought he had finally won could be overheard saying,

"Figures." said Tyrion, sighing and preparing for inevitability.'

THE END OF THE SONG OF ICE AND FIRE


And then millions of voices cried out in anguish. And GRRM became the greatest troll ever.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:14 PM   #2975 (permalink)
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EPILOGUE:

...and Rhaegar awoke from his dream, the rubies from his black armor reflecting the sun light into his eye. I think it would be wise to name Elia the Queen of Love and Beauty after all, should I win the tournament. The world apparently isn't ready for A Song of Ice and Fire.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:47 PM   #2976 (permalink)
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My problem with Tywin is that before we are introduced to him and when he's not around he is presented as this larger than life, almost mythical character. Yet when we do meet him and get POV's close to him we find out he's just an ordinary man, with just as much flaws as anyone else. Don't get me wrong, he's very intelligent and an excellent character but he's nowhere near as intelligent as characters such as Tyrion, Littlefinger and Stannis. Even Robb, a 16 year old boy is a much better military commander than Tywin, but that's just in his blood.
I don't see this is a problem. I don't know about Tywin being less intelligent than any of the above, either. I mean what are we measuring it by? Baelish is certainly the most cunning, Tyrion is savvy as fuck but Tywin didn't get to be where he did by not being smart. He just had flaws. And they brought him down. But Tyrion, Littlefinger and Stannis have flaws too. And it's definitely gonna get them killed.

Mance Rayder is Mance Rayder. There's no reason he can't be who he said he was. It's not like he's hailed as the greatest swordsman ever, and I'm pretty sure he'd have been recognised by someone at the wall/someone ever. It'd be kind of cheap for Mance to be anyone else, anyway.

Don't see the Martell's as morons at all. Honestly, not sure even Doran could have seen his son would go and try and tame dragons. TBF he had actually succeeded with one, too. It was the other that fucked him over. So while he was an idiot he did have some skill, actually. But yeah. Oberyn was caught in a revenge mission. I don't think you can expect anything ratonal there and at the very least their idiocy is matched by pretty much every other house. House Tyrell seems the only house to not have fucked up majorly yet or have a real idiot? That'll change when they march on Connington, though. They're already underestimating him.

Favourite characters are easily Theon, Oberyn, Arya and Jon Connington I think. Connington's chapters in Dance were great.

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Old 11-09-2012, 07:06 PM   #2977 (permalink)
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Tywin totally destroyed two Houses. Stark and Reyne. Stark could come back, but as far as most characters in the book know, he totally decimated the Starks. Not saying it takes a genius to do this, but yeah Tywin is sharper than most. Tywin did get a fortunate break when Ramsay sacked Winterfell, but Tywin finished them off.

I just used Tywin as an example earlier of an intelligent character that was killed (hope everyone realized i was being sarcastic by calling him dumb). It was his scheming that did him in too (as well as a crossbow bolt).



Doran also couldn't know Dany is a fool or insane. Most rational people in her position would love to have an ally in Westeros before they invade. Not Dany though.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:29 PM   #2978 (permalink)
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I would say Tywin is a master opportunist, a lot of things fell in place perfectly for him, and if these things had not happened then he would not have won the war. Tywin's success in this war came from Robb's flaws pretty much, and Tywin took advantage of it. The Starks were beating the Lannister's in every battle. Had Robb not fallen for Jeyne and kept his oath to the Frey's then things would be a lot different. I don't think Tywin is as great as the people of Westeros think him to be.

Robb Stark < Tywin Lannister for me, if Robb had one flaw, it was that he was too much like his father, when he needed to be more of a Tully. Family, Duty, Honour, in that order.

Not quite on topic but just popped into my mind again, one of my favourite minor, and I mean very minor characters would have to be Raynald Westerling, Jeyne's brother. We know very very little of him but there is one moment in the series that truly makes him a favourite character of mine. During the Red Wedding when the Frey's asked him to give up his sword, he did, as soon as the Frey's started to fire arrows at Grey Wind, Raynald seized an axe, cut his way through the Frey's whilst being fired and peirced with arrows, and rescued Grey Wind from his trap, then died in the river. I envision that scene in my head so many times and think how awesome that scene is.

And yes MrMister I do believe Marwyn = Moqorro. It's just too coincidental and I think Marwyn is definitely intelligent enough to know of R'Hllor and its practices and is definitely able to use glamor in some sort of way. He's using Vic to get to Dany.
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Oh geez, and when Gregor finally admits it he says "No, I murdered her, THEN I raped her, then I caved her skull in like this!" *proceeds to cave Oberyn's skull in*

Anyone like Sansa? She's probably my favorite Stark after Eddard. Her chapters have the benefit of taking place around many interesting characters...Cersei, Varys, Joffrey, Petyr Baelish...Her last chapter in Storm of Swords...the third book had already been spoiled for me except for that last part ("Just Cat") so that made Storm of Swords that much more awesome for me.

Also, what's up with some fathers producing children of the same sex?

Davos Seaworth: 7 sons from the same woman
Quellon Greyjoy: 9 sons from 3 women
Oberyn Martell: 8 daughters from like...4 women?
Yeah, I agree. I actually greatly enjoyed the Sansa chapters in Clash & Storm, like legitimately thought it was some of the best stuff GRRM has written. Shes helpless and over her head in such a bad position and at the same time surrounded by some really interesting characters (Joffrey, The Hound, Cersei, Baelish).

Theon, Davos, Sansa, Arya & Jon Connington are probably my favorite POV people so far. Bran (fuck Warging, that shit is gay), Jon Snow (usually) & Dany, probably the 3 safest people in the book are my least favorite to read.
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Fuck I forgot about Victarion. Straight up bad motherfucker stuff.
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