[8 Ball]

My problem with Tywin is that before we are introduced to him and when he's not around he is presented as this larger than life, almost mythical character. Yet when we do meet him and get POV's close to him we find out he's just an ordinary man, with just as much flaws as anyone else. Don't get me wrong, he's very intelligent and an excellent character but he's nowhere near as intelligent as characters such as Tyrion, Littlefinger and Stannis. Even Robb, a 16 year old boy is a much better military commander than Tywin, but that's just in his blood.

I say Dayne could be Mance, due to a myriad of reasons. Dayne is mentioned far too much to not have some pivotal role, and we know too little of Mance's back-story. I don't believe Ned and Howland could have killed Dayne at the Tower of Joy, I eman Dayne is supposed to be one of the greatest swordsmen to ever live, and whilst Ned is a brilliant strategist and commander, he was never described as being overly special with a sword in one on one combat. Mance takes such a personal interest in Jon as well, there's bound to be some sort of connection there. Had Jon Connington not been revealed to us then I think that he would have made a good candidate to be Mance.

As for taming the Dragons, Tyrion would obviously be a good choice, as would Bran, but I think those are both too obvious. Marwyn the Maester may end up taming one of the dragons, I believe he possesses a knowledge of them that little others know of.

On the subject of Dragons I do believe that the Faceless Men are out to kill Dany's dragons. The Faceless Men were founded by the slaves of old Valyria, and they hated dragons. I do believe the Alchemist (JAQEN) has infiltrated the Citadel in an effort to find a way of killing a dragon.

[LadyCroft]

The only person I think of when someone says, "idiot" is Danny. And she's just naive more than a straight up idiot. The things she does though, sometimes, makes me wonder.

I hope Arya and Jaqen somehow meet again or even team up. I just hope we haven't seen the last of Jaqen and I'm pretty sure we haven't.

I'm looking forward to what part the Sand Snakes play in the coming book. Tyene, while not the warrior her sisters are might be the most dangerous because of her beauty and skills in poison. I can't wait to see what they do with her. Nymeria and Obara are just straight up bad asses. I wonder if they have the ability of compartmentalization like I hope their sister Tyene has. And then of course we have Sarella and the little game she is playing in Oldtown... Alleras the Sphinx anyone? Yeah, that could be badass.

[PhilThePain]

Originally Posted by MrMister

You raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children. Say the name! Say it! She was Elia of Dorne.

Oh geez, and when Gregor finally admits it he says "No, I murdered her, THEN I raped her, then I caved her skull in like this!" *proceeds to cave Oberyn's skull in*

Anyone like Sansa? She's probably my favorite Stark after Eddard. Her chapters have the benefit of taking place around many interesting characters...Cersei, Varys, Joffrey, Petyr Baelish...Her last chapter in Storm of Swords...the third book had already been spoiled for me except for that last part ("Just Cat") so that made Storm of Swords that much more awesome for me.

Also, what's up with some fathers producing children of the same sex?

Davos Seaworth: 7 sons from the same woman
Quellon Greyjoy: 9 sons from 3 women
Oberyn Martell: 8 daughters from like...4 women?

[MrMister]

^^^lol yeah that fight/chapter is fucking amazing.


Dayne could be Mance. It's possible. We've seen other characters in disguise like Griff.

But also, if Dayne was the amazing knight Jaime, Ned, and Barristan say, I just don't see him giving up the Tower of Joy. He'd have died defending it. He was a Kingsguard that wasn't guarding the king. What he was guarding was more important to the king.

Also, MANCE visits Winterfell disguised as a bard. Don't you think Ned would've recognized him? Tyrion knew who Griff was pretty quickly and I'm not sure Tryion had ever met Connington before. Tyrion is smarter than Ned, but Ned isn't clueless, especially in his homeland. I have to think he'd have recognized the perhaps the greatest swordsman to have ever lived and the man who almost killed him.


Don't really care much for Sansa. I like her chapters though, especially now that we get Baelish from her perspective.

[LadyCroft]

I hate Sansa more than I hate Cersei.

[8 Ball]

I don't think Littlefinger will die in the end, I do believe he is the single most intelligent character in the series and that he will have worked out every possible way of overcoming defeat. The bitter ending that Martin has stated will happen could be that the Others are defeated but Littlefinger's ultimate scheme has come together and that he will control Westeros or whatever at the end.

If worst comes to worst I think he will take the Black. Littlefinger isn't dying, no way.

[MrMister]

I don't know, I get the feeling Littlefinger is playing an irrelevant game. His political machinations won't matter in a post apocalyptic Westeros.

Originally Posted by Hit-Girl

I hate Sansa more than I hate Cersei.

I don't even hate Cersei despite her being a total cunt (ok i kinda do). I can't hate Sansa because she was a clueless naive child.

8Ball have you read the Victarion excerpt from Winds of Winter? Thoughts on Marwyn being Moqorro? I know you've read the Theon chapter.

[CamillePunk]

Cersei is adorable, she has penis-envy and it's hilarious. The dynamic between her and Tyrion alone is worth her being a character.

[PhilThePain]

Victarion Greyjoy. Talk about a guy who doesn't listen. He's badass as heck like all the other Greyjoys but him and Aeron make me laugh the most.

I think he says something to Moqorro like "Your Red God may rule on land but the Drowned God rules up here on this ship"

Then Moqorro is all like "Um...there is only the Red God Victarion"

Later on in the exact same chapter, Victarion burns a ship with those seven female sacrifices and, all proud of himself, he says to Moqorro "There, a sacrifice that will please both our Gods".

George RR Martin didn't write it in the book but I bet you anything Moqorro sighed quietly and rolled his eyes at Victarion

[LadyCroft]

Victarian is amazing lol. A pirate god. Not that he's really a pirate *or is he* but yeah, dude is probably my favorite character not named Arya.