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Old 01-08-2009, 12:53 AM   #1601 (permalink)
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:55 AM   #1602 (permalink)
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But....85 EPISODES OF FILLER~!

85!
Still focusing only on the negatives. Ok, know what, let me ask it to you this way.

What would you prefer, filler episodes with a non-official cannon plot like Bleach; or 30 minute stand offs where abouso-fucking-lutely nothing happens, like Dragon Ball Z?

And no, you don't have a choice to have neither, which, ironically, is the same dilemma writers/artist have when they're in this situation.
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Go for the stand offs!

As to what I am starting to view today, I finished one show in Fullmetal Alchemist (that I now know is fantastic) and the series Guyver is great fun. I kind of feel emptiness over the long wait of Black Lagoon being a fan though. So hard to sway away from that even watching these shows.

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Old 01-08-2009, 05:45 AM   #1604 (permalink)
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Go for the stand offs!

As to what I am starting to view today, I finished one show in Fullmetal Alchemist (that I now know is fantastic) and the series Guyver is great fun. I kind of feel emptiness over the long wait of Black Lagoon being a fan though. So hard to sway away from that even watching these shows.
Which one, the new 26 episode anime series or the 13 episode OVA? The latter is much better imo and not as toned down as the new series so watch that if you haven't yet.

Also, Monster was the longest series I went through in it's entirety. I did watch Bleach up till the end of the Soul Society arc but couldn't be pressed to continue further.

I admit the thought of a series going on for 100+ episodes does turn me off.
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I thought Bleach was great up until the end of the Soul Society arc...you know, when you-know-who has that awesome moment when he absolutely owns you-know-who-else with his f'n finger, even stopping his power theme mid-note.
It had a good build, great humour ("Spirits are always with yooouuu~!"), decent characters (with GREAT characters once you get to SS and take the Captains into account) and a very well made system of protecting people's power to the viewer's eyes - i.e. if somebody is strong, they let you know, and make sure he doesn't do anything weak-like!
(noticed that when i realised it was my main issue with the second filler arc - more about it in a bit)

I thought the Bount arc was pretty cool when it started, like Hybrid said, but then it kinda lost some of it's quality for reasons that i can't really recall since i watched it more than a year ago.

Then you back to manga stuff (which i don't read btw) and because of how the Bount arc ended nothing is really changed from the end of the SS arc.
A couple of pretty awesome stuff happen during the first few eps, like
(i really recommend you don't click this if you haven't watched everything there is to watch yet... )
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Ichigo's dad turning up with a Captain's haori FFS!

and it keeps chucking along nicely with good, interesting story and typical Bleach RANDOM~! humour.
Then they get to a bit where the story demands they spent some time doing nothing and you get 4-5 of the worst episodes i've ever seen (cake episode, anyone?), but then they go fully into the next part of the story and that's where it starts really getting messy.

Problem was that at this point they're apparently really catching up to the manga and they degenerate into what Hybrid described a couple of posts ago - 25 min eps. with 5 mins. of actuall story advancment and everything is flashbacked/repeated at least 3 times.
That being said, they still put out some pretty awesome episodes every now and then, especially towards the end
Spoiler for click:
like the one with Ulquiorra realising he has to take his hand out of his f'n pocket to stop Ichigo's blast

This goes on until they go off into another filler arc

This second filler arc i didn't like very much. It had a good main bad guy, but was mostly just filled with annoying, naive characters who were just whining all the time.
My main problem was that power issue though
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Yamamoto releases in a room, Lurichiyo and her stupid guards (hell, even Ichigo and Amagai) should've just died from his reiatsu - this is the guy that made a vice-captain (Nanao) freeze just by looking at her and would take on the two strongest Captains who were worried they wouldn't win.
And i think that every shinigami in SS, let alone the captains, would've felt the damn thing

And it's not just that, there's Soi-Fon being stopped by a bloody wall 6 feet high or every single captain just being an idiot unable to control his division

My point is that when you watch the canon stuff, everyone has a specific rank in power and is very well protected within his rank, so that you know where he stands. Fillers (or should i say, poorly-written fillers) tend to mess that rank up. It's not some obsession with canon, it's just a matter of quality and consistency - well-written, consistent fillers, i don't have any issue with.

On the other hand, extending stuff makes even well-written material seem boring and repetitive, so i'm not complaining about fillers much - this was an exception - and i just know to ignore them when it comes to the big picture.

Btw, now it's back to the main story and it's getting pretty good again.
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I cut the post up so I could reply to the points I want to touch better.

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I thought the Bount arc was pretty cool when it started, like Hybrid said, but then it kinda lost some of it's quality for reasons that i can't really recall since i watched it more than a year ago.

Problem was that at this point they're apparently really catching up to the manga and they degenerate into what Hybrid described a couple of posts ago - 25 min eps. with 5 mins. of actuall story advancment and everything is flashbacked/repeated at least 3 times.

Fillers (or should i say, poorly-written fillers) tend to mess that rank up. It's not some obsession with canon, it's just a matter of quality and consistency - well-written, consistent fillers, i don't have any issue with.

On the other hand, extending stuff makes even well-written material seem boring and repetitive, so i'm not complaining about fillers much - this was an exception - and i just know to ignore them when it comes to the big picture.
1: I think "poorly written fillers" hits the mark the best. Heck a good written/story boarded filler could be viewed, or to be more blunt, mistaken, as real cannon (assuming you're not one of the anal retentive fucks that sit in their rooms, viewing every second of a Manga-based Anime while looking through said manga trying to find every little difference in detail... These people do exist, be afraid) I seen it happen before.

Good Filler: Air Gear's Special Trick episode

Bad Filler: MAR's filler, as if they didn't fuck the anime up already they had to put in some terrible fillers.


2: (this kinda isn't important) Hybrid: Hisssssssss! Hybird no like being called Hybrid it ruffles my feathers, so to speak. As Blasko, I think I went into a few psychotic tirades about it on Gaia... (Why I never made a comic about it is beyond me. I drawn a comic about Santa being a reindeer-phile, why not this...?)
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(assuming you're not one of the anal retentive fucks that sit in their rooms, viewing every second of a Manga-based Anime while looking through said manga trying to find every little difference in detail... These people do exist, be afraid)
Oh, believe me, i know...one of the main reasons i stopped (or rather, never started) frequenting anime forums.
I'd lurk around for a bit, get pissed at people who couldn't just admit something was good when it was, just because it wasn't "canon" and leave.

(which is kind of ironic to say on a wrestling forum of all places..."that's not how you sell a PPV man, who cares if the crowd loved it?")

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2: (this kinda isn't important) Hybrid: Hisssssssss! Hybird no like being called Hybrid it ruffles my feathers, so to speak. As Blasko, I think I went into a few psychotic tirades about it on Gaia...

You know that thing where humans only need to see the first and last letter of a word and just by glancing at the size and rough shape of it can read it just fine even if it's all messed up?

Like this:
Spoiler for click:
I'm srue a few of you hvae alerady seen tihs, but, I stlil tinhk it's facsintaing:

Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

In'st taht intrestnig?


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(Why I never made a comic about it is beyond me. I drawn a comic about Santa being a reindeer-phile, why not this...?)
Had a look at your story on dA, and now i want to read the origin story of Santa and the reindeer and the sexual tension...
Or is that gonna be your "noodle incident" a la Calvin and Hobbes?
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Had a look at your story on dA, and now i want to read the origin story of Santa and the reindeer and the sexual tension...
Or is that gonna be your "noodle incident" a la Calvin and Hobbes?
(I'll have to answer the other stuff a little later.)

Can't remember what the noodle incident is... crap, it's been years since I've read Waterson's work. Anyways, yeah, I haven't finished adding my Project AvA work into my deviant(which only recently I started using) so it's not on there, but on my photobucket. This is the comic that was a reference to evil six page comic. (Evil as in I didn't sleep for 4-5 days working on that fucker!)


It's rather old, had I changed my choice of words directed more towards Santa and Rudolf, I probably would have been disowned by my family...

As an added bonus, here's the Easter Bunny episode (death to holiday mascots!)
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Can't remember what the noodle incident is... crap, it's been years since I've read Waterson's work.
It was that one thing that Calvin was cought for but nobody could pin it on him.
He would never admit to doing it, had a fantastically elaborate cover up story for it and he always panicked whenever someone (well, Hobbes) brought it up.

We never learned exactly what the "noodle incident" was, but that makes it all the more fun...



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And to get back on topic (well, sort of) i picked up the first volume of Uzumaki the other day.
It's a horror manga that came out a few years ago. Apparently it was nominated for an Eisner and there was a movie made from it at some point but i hadn't heard of it before.

Pretty freaky stuff really and it's very interesting style-wise. It looks nothing like a normal manga and has a very western feel to it. When it comes to the more scary moments, it kinda reminds me of the more detailed freakish/anatomically correct stuff you used to find in MAD.
Speaking of anatomically correct, there's some rather disturbing ways that people die in it.

Good stuff really, if you see it in a store, have a look.
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I wanna start watching Anime... Where should I start?
Whatever you do, DON'T start with Death Note. Everything else will pale in comparison.

Try Fullmetal Alchemist. It's how I got started.
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