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post #41 of 2530 (permalink) Old 01-12-2014, 02:04 PM
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire SPOILER THREAD (srsly spoilers from all the books ITT)

I dont like Barristan much myself, but he would hand Victarion's arse to him on a silver platter.
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Eh Vic took a serious wound to his hand from some random. Barristan has slain countless bigger and stronger fighters. GRRM has shown him killing at least two with ease. Barristan would kill Victarion w/o the God Hand. I'm a Victarion mark, but Barristan is in a class by himself.
Whose to say that that Serry kid wasn't some amazingly talented fighter whose life was just cut short by Vic? IIRC Victarion killed like everyone on the boat before taking the wound too. No doubt, on reputation alone, Barristan dusts Victarion. But I think that what Victarion lacks in technique, he makes up for in everything else on Barristan. Youth, aggression, strength, hardiness. He almost lost his hand to that Serry kid but was it not impressive in and of itself to catch a freaking sword strike and then kill the guy anyway?
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire SPOILER THREAD (srsly spoilers from all the books ITT)

lol Victarion aint got youth. he's between 35-50, prob 40's
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire SPOILER THREAD (srsly spoilers from all the books ITT)

There are theories that that wound killed Victarion and he's now an Other of Light/Fire. I'm not sure how Others of Light can be killed. Cold Iron? Who knows, but I agree with this theory and think Vic is pretty much unkillable at this point. That's like having an unkillable Sandor. It's worse because Victarion has ambition now.

I really can't wait to see the destruction this guy causes.

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But youth is relative, Victarion is certainly far closer to his prime than Selmy is.

However, (no god hand) Victarion likely loses. Skill seems to > strength in GRRM's world (Jamie is #1 of geenration but never mentioned as strong, its all skill baby!) and Selmy is a top 5 fighter.
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He's got youth on Barristan is what I meant. He's not yet 50.

And I don't think Victarion is unkillabe. Or even a servant R'hllor. I just think he's fiery hand makes him stronger than most. But probably he is some unkillable sleeper aganrt with some hidden role in world events. Picking up that Red Priest was no coincidence. Melisandre sent him or the Red Temple or something. They're all up to something huge.

Victarion is a wildcard, but for the time being, I see him doing Euron's bidding and delivering him Dany (who dreamed that she slept with Euron). Which is why I really see Barristan going down, by Victarion's hand.
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He's definitely not Euron's lackey anymore. That much should be clear.

I do agree that if Barristan is killed by any other warrior, Victarion is the most likely guy to do it.

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Skill seems to > strength in GRRM's world
unless you start taunting then you get GREGOR'd the fuck out.

and present day barristan hasn't killed anyone particularly impressive in story. sure he went to town on a bunch of pit fighters but eh he's getting old and knows it.


i doubt they'll come to blows immediately if the initial chapters of twow are true - it seems like victarion's gonna help out in slaver's bay. all bets may be off once victarion eyes a dragon or two with his horn though.

as for his role...i'm still not sure, he's too dumb to really have any long term impact on the game I'd think but he could certainly fuck up someone's plans before he bites it. he's an enjoyable read, anyway, so!

although if the woman on jon connington's boat was ashara dayne then maybe barristan has a future to play (betraying dany for "love"?)
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The writing for Dany's story blows on the show and in the books. But I'm convinced it's because Martin's initial idea was for a trilogy. I'm positive it's why the strongest of Dany's story is in book 1. He's winging it now to stall for time until he gets to what he always wanted to do with the character Dany. I have a feeling that's been the issue with that character.


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Um, pit fighters are a big deal. They live to fight. Pit fighter > almost all knights.

Killed the Titan's Bastard too, a notorious giant mercenary. He'd compare favorably to Vic and Barry beat his ass with a stick.


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