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Old 09-11-2013, 05:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arrow JIM'S GYM PRESENTS TDL DOJO #1.

That's the kind of thread title you get when I can't think of anything else and I want to go bed. I find JIM'S GYM funny anyway even if nobody else does. Hosted by our very own JIM of course too. Basically what this is, is a chance for those who haven't been scoring win after win to get some experience and most importantly some extra feedback on a debate.

This is only open to anyone who has 0 points or less in the TDL Rankings. That's a hyperlink to them btw. Duh. The 0 points or less is as of this post and before the results from TDL VI are posted.

There's 3 topics listed below and you can choose which one of them you want to submit a debate for. Totally up to you. They're all wrestling debates but it's open to anyone who's signed up to any division. These debates DON'T add to your records and there's no winners or losers. Just a chance to get some extra feedback.

10 day deadline from this post as usual. Post your debates in here but post them with hide tags until the deadline so the others can't see them and start stealing your ideas. After the deadline I'll remove all the hide tags so they're visible to everyone. If you wrap your debate with [hide=50000]debate[ /hide] and lose the space before the /hide] then that'll do the trick in covering them up to everyone.

Once the deadline is passed it's up to the judges to give feedback on whichever debates they want to. Every debate will get at least one piece of feedback from a judge even if I have to give feedback for 30 debates by myself. I better not be the only giving feedback Judges are anyone who's done judging before for the shows.

There's no obligation to submit a debate. It's just here for those who want to use it to write another debate out and get some extra feedback on a debate inbetween shows. I'd advise people to try and submit within the next 7 days incase you have another debate on the next show.

800 word count limit as per usual.

Any other questions just ask in here. Don't worry about posting anything in here that isn't a debate. I'll link all the debates in one post after the deadline if it gets cluttered.

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Did Shane & Vince McMahon (non-wrestlers) wrestling hurt the credibility of their opponents (wrestlers)?
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Which is the best commentating model for WWE to use on PPVs; Single Commenator, Duo or Trio?
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sad that the third topic wasn't used for a legit show, would've had lots of fun with it
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I'll do it.
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Good idea, and those are three real good topics as well. I would've loved to take part but I guess I'm too good to be eligible for this shit.

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I'll try have a good go at this. I've had a pretty bumpy ride so far, but this will help me improve.
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Good idea, and those are three real good topics as well. I would've loved to take part but I guess I'm too good to be eligible for this shit.
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Stevie kinda needs to win the title at this stage. Either that or he needs to go complete beserk, blame the judges and retire forever.
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Is Curtis Axel the right guy to be Heyman's new "project"?

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Why?

I remember the buzz surrounding the announcement of a new 'Heyman Guy'. Speculation was running rampant and every name out of the sun was being thrown out as a possibility. We all sat and waited that night to see what WWE had in store and who Heyman's new project would be. Heyman came out to the ring and cut a fantastic promo and perfectly set up the debut of the new Heyman guy and then it fell. Just like that. The crowd ready to erupt, kept silent as the man formerly known as 'Michael McGillicutty' made his way to the ring. The fans invested just a short few minutes ago, were now waiting for the segment to quickly end. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything wrong with Curtis Axel. Whilst my excitement fell at the announcement, I was looking forward to which direction WWE may go with the new Heyman guy which kept my interest locked tightly for several weeks.

After giving it a chance week after week, I concluded that they were not going to anywhere with Axel. Many things define what someone needs to be to make it. Whilst I appreciate Axel's ring work and the kid seems like he wants to go places, he's not someone I or other fans can invest in. I say that as a fan that is willing to give things a chance by WWE and doesn't get too angry about the current going ons. No matter how bad the state of the WWE may be. Axel has the right frame of mind, he seems to want to be successful and he seems like a good guy that appreciates the business, but he's never going to be a World Champion. Nothing about him screams that. Things can be worked on and that's why I gave Axel a chance, he doesn't have the best look in my honest opinion and his mic skills are average at best whilst Heyman does most of the work.

Mic skills are never a requirement to reach it to the top, but you have to sell a feud in other areas too if promos aren't your strong point. That is clearly not Axel's strong point, but every feud and match he has been in has been very uninteresting to watch and I've spent the majority of his matches waiting for it to end. Axel can work well with other opponents and his ring work at times is quite strong, but he doesn't have that intensity and selling point that is needed to really invest me in a match or feud. Take someone like Cody Rhodes for example, whilst he isn't in the best place in WWE and has recently took a break; his last match with Randy Orton was one of the best worked matches I've seen in a while. I really like Cody Rhodes, but I've not been invested in much he has done recently and for a match with little build before it aired on RAW, it was one of the best matches of the year.

After trying to convince myself that Axel would get better, I have just lost hope. I don't like saying that about a wrestler as they work hard, but I barely remember anything significant from Axel's intercontinental championship reign than when he won it. His upcoming match is at Night of a Champions in a Handicap Elimination match with Heyman against Punk. Axel and Punk is not the selling point of the match and if that was the actual match by itself, not many would be looking forward to it. CM Punk has gone from one of the biggest SummerSlam matches in recent memory to a throwaway match with Axel. While this is a rub for Axel, I can barely remember anything memorable about the feud aside from the angle with Punk and Heyman. Punk facing Heyman is what everyone really wants to see and that's what they will be cheering for during the match, not Axel working with Punk.

Eventually, someone will take the title from Axel and he will continue to decline. WWE gave him a chance and they have seen that it didn't work. Heyman will abandon him for someone else and his Title Reign will be rarely mentioned again. On Conclusion, something big needs to happen or a vast improvement in Axel, for me to care about him or anything he does anymore. No matter how much WWE might want Axel to work, if the fans don't want it, that makes a dull and unresponsive environment that is never wanted if Axel is ever included in any big match-ups.
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Stevie kinda needs to win the title at this stage. Either that or he needs to go complete beserk, blame the judges and retire forever.
My contract will be up the moment the results are posted, so I'm definitely retiring.

Just not in the way you're expecting me to

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