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That's the last thing I cut to make my debate fit the word limit. 3

Thanks for the critiques judges. GG Brye and Cobrah and congrats on winning Brye. I'll get you next time.
not to make you feel bad about it but if you had it in there i'd have probably gone with your debate Overall the QB debate was my favourite to read and judge.



Just as a general thing for future cards for everyone, i can't speak for the other judges but the very first thing i look for and 'mark' most harshly on is whether the question gets answered. You can have a well structured debate but if it doesn't quite fit the question then it'll more than likely cost you.


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My mothers best adivce she ever gave (kind of, more really when I was just at school, but whatevs point still stands) was;

ALWAYS READ THE QUESTION

Everyone should take note of the advice from Rush.

Chuffed I won, I wasn't terribly happy with the format of my debate but I was confident in the content.

Oh yeah, currently UNDEFEATED in the social division. :ali

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Just had a chance to read through the OP a little more and read some of the debates, at Shep's interviews and I marked for the Airplane reference

Congrats to Dark Andre for the sports title, looking forward to an absolute burial in the Wrestling Division final. I want a win via body-bad and/or crucifixion. Nothing less will be acceptable.

I'll also put my hand up if you need anyone to do judging for any other divisions.
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Although I camd up short I am not dissapointed as it was a close call but well done to everyone involved
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FINALZ~!


Hope the question's a goodie.


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Just had a chance to read through the OP a little more and read some of the debates, at Shep's interviews and I marked for the Airplane reference

Congrats to Dark Andre for the sports title, looking forward to an absolute burial in the Wrestling Division final. I want a win via body-bad and/or crucifixion. Nothing less will be acceptable.

I'll also put my hand up if you need anyone to do judging for any other divisions.
WINNER VIA BODY-BAD

The debate for the Wrestling Title is pretty interesting. Probably not what you're expecting or one with an easy answer. I think it's an interesting out of the box debate but it could go either way.

Forgot to post these but Clique ended up judging the Wrestling Semi's too.


greendayedgehead, I was thoroughly intrigued by this debate. Your examples resonated to the core theme of your position about talent and booking persevering. As long as reactions are present Ziggler will not be hurt. The reason why he will not be hurt were direct but credible because you not only looked at it from the fan’s perspective but you added that the company will push who the fans will pay to see regardless of how they feel. The character will either continue with his heel or face alignment or make a turn. That is a convincing argument to your stance.

The Wrestling Junkie also shed light on those ideas and it is what made both of your debates so sound. I thank The Wrestling Junkie for providing a video because it was an evident example of “any reaction is a good reaction” which was at the center of your argument. The distinction between heel performers who did not get noteworthy reactions (stagnant card position) versus heels who may get heat or a babyface pop on any given event (top of the card successful) was effective.

Tough one to call here I’ll have to give it to greendayedgehead.

Evolution directed quite a few questions to his audience which engages the reader with his argument. Debate A also presented some awesome examples of the good the World Title has done for superstars like Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler. The point about the World Title serving as a springboard to the main event enhanced your point about its significance in WWE today. I liked that Debate A took the position of maybe the WWE Title and the World Heavyweight Title are not equal but that should not take away the relevance it still has in the company.

adrian_zombo offered some compelling reasons why two World Titles are not needed and the benefits of having just one WWE World Champion. His use of footnotes only helped build a great foundation on the stance he took providing examples of paper champions who may have a World Title to their name but without legit prominence. The argument and current examples made against the World Heavyweight Title which led to the importance of having just the WWE Title and stronger midcard made an even stronger case and adrian_zombo sold me on the idea more.


Winner – adrian_zombo

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Great results show again. Loving the humour and wit in the skits in between the debates. Thought Tony's Formlula would make me laugh the most but Anark, NoyK and the fuckin' Eastenders theme song was just too good to ignore. Brye interview with the Parks smileys was tickety boo as well.

Standard seems to have been maintained and bettered by the winners from Show 1 and more than met by the debutants in this show. Sports Division debate was the DOTN for my money, two great debates and contrasting ways to argue the same point. Congrats to Andre, though Perfect Poster gave a great showing himself and I'm gutted to have not been able to judge this debate in addition to a few other debates from this show.

Social Division debates were solid and the final should be intriguing. Well done to both BULLY & SPCDRI for their consistency in each effort so far.

Evolution/Adrian Zombo & greendayedgehead/wrestling junkie delivered with the expectations set after their outings in Show 1. Hard to say who I'd have sided with in the Evo/Zombo round though, strong debates from both and very hard to choose between.


Judging feedback was informative and helpful and should be taken on board by those who didn't win, well done to all again.

P.S: amount of no-shows is disappointing given the hardwork put into this by the organisers and debaters, the explicit warning ahead of time that it wouldn't be tolerated and how easy and courteous it would be to inform ahead of time if you're unavailable for a certain show.
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Congrats to all, some really good debates.

Was looking forward to your debate Kenny
Sorry man, I tried to get it in before deadline but I missed it.

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Damnit Kenny.





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The debate for the Wrestling Title is pretty interesting. Probably not what you're expecting or one with an easy answer. I think it's an interesting out of the box debate but it could go either way.

Forgot to post these but Clique ended up judging the Wrestling Semi's too.


Evolution directed quite a few questions to his audience which engages the reader with his argument. Debate A also presented some awesome examples of the good the World Title has done for superstars like Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler. The point about the World Title serving as a springboard to the main event enhanced your point about its significance in WWE today. I liked that Debate A took the position of maybe the WWE Title and the World Heavyweight Title are not equal but that should not take away the relevance it still has in the company.

adrian_zombo offered some compelling reasons why two World Titles are not needed and the benefits of having just one WWE World Champion. His use of footnotes only helped build a great foundation on the stance he took providing examples of paper champions who may have a World Title to their name but without legit prominence. The argument and current examples made against the World Heavyweight Title which led to the importance of having just the WWE Title and stronger midcard made an even stronger case and adrian_zombo sold me on the idea more.


Winner – adrian_zombo
So you're saying it was a draw?

I'm thinking that means the final should be a TRIPLE THREAT MATCH, let's go to the WF UNIVERSE!!!

Everyone wants to see the fairytale continue with one more match. One. More. Match.





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