TDL Wrestling Division Championship Match
Seabs vs Andre Should WWE reinforce the brand split?
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TDL Sports Division Championship Match
Aid180 vs Magic Which player is going to win Rookie of the Year of the 2014-15 NBA Season?
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TDL Wrestling Division Special Attraction Match
The Lady Killer vs Headliner Which match was better, Shawn Michaels vs Undertaker @ Wrestlemania 25 or 26?
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TDL Social Division Special Attraction Match
Rigby vs ZOMBO Has the internet had a positive or negative impact on the music industry?
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The First Ever 2/3 Decisions Winner Chooses The Loser's Username Debate
CGS vs STEVEN BARETHEON Max Word Count = 500 words per topic. Each topic judged separately.
Were WWE right to advertise Seth Rollins vs Dean Ambrose at Battleground and not deliver it?
Did WWE overstep the mark with the Lana promo at Battleground?
Was a count out finish the right finish to Rusev vs Swagger at Battleground?
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TDL Sports Division #1 Contenders Eliminator - Stage #1
Irish Jet vs Curry vs UnbelievableJeff Will Diego Costa be a 15+ league goals a season striker for Chelsea?
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TDL Social Division #1 Contenders Eliminator - Stage #1
Bearodactyl vs RAB vs Hoopy Frood vs Tater Should prostitution be legalized?
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Molfino vs MichaelDD Is it a good move if WWE put the WWE World Heavyweight Championship on Brock Lesnar?
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SludgeHammer vs Coach. vs pinkandblack vs Black Element Should abortion be illegal?
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dylster88 vs ROHFan19 vs RealManRegal vs shackles If WWE and Sting both agree to work one match between now and Summerslam 2015, who should be it against and when?
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RetepAdam. vs WrestlingOracle vs BOOGIE COUSINS Who was most to blame for New York Knicks not reaching the Play Offs last season?
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That analogy is abysmal. I've said why it won't happen. If you can't accept/understand that then it's your problem. Weekends suit you and you're guaranteed at least one weekend how it currently is. There's plenty of people who weekends don't work for, people like ZOMBO who don't come on much at weekends or a lot of UK debaters for who weekends are fitba time or time when they're outdoors. It's not changing and that's the way it is. Now you know why.
If you want me to get really organised and run to strict schedules then you should be booted out for being past the deadline in the past...
Hey, new rules for a new age. If new rules got put into place and I violated them, then out with my ass.
Is running all of this on a more efficient schedule really that outrageous of a suggestion? I may not be right about how I want it run but people smarter than me (like you) should at least consider the concept of a more organized way of running this show.
I've already told you why it won't happen providing examples of why your suggestion won't suit everyone. Unless you have a retort to that (you clearly don't) then move on.
I'll leave this here as well. WOOLCOCK is barely on during weekdays now so you're probably waiting until Saturday. Big card, lot of debates, extra word count, high quality and limited judges this show due to a number of them away. Deal with it. Most judges have 3-6 matches of 2-4 debates per match to judge in roughly the same time it takes you to produce one single debate. The ratio isn't exactly equal. 2 weeks to judge everything on this card is still pretty fast. It's either that or the majority of you only getting a debate once every 3-4 cards.
That's another pretty damned good topic that I would like explored. It seems like to me that the judging circle is a select group of people who have been around TDL since the beginning.
Honest question... when was the last time you actually allowed a new judge into your circle?
No comeback? How about finding people who can work on a schedule? Take all of your reasons why judges need however much time they need and apply that to the people working on the debates. Us debaters are on the clock. Why shouldn't the judges be as well?
I keep going back to the Monday Night Raw example because it really is apt here. The show happens every single Monday night at 8 pm EST. The show doesn't particularly give a fuck about what is fair to who. When the clock hits 8, the show is going on, no matter who it's fair to or not.
IDK about anyone else but for me the complete unpredictability of results/cards being posted and having to check TDL first thing every time you come online is all just part of the fun.
length of judging is pretty fair as well. if the judges having pretty much free reign in regards to time limits is what it takes to maintain the level of feedback that they give then so be it. to answer the wrestling analogy, if i'd bought tickets to raw on a monday and barrett, jericho, lesnar, rollins, sandow, cesaro and all my other favourites were unavailable for that show but were able to do the wednesday after (and the WWE were allowed to move their dates around, which the TDL are) then I'd much rather just wait til the wednesday and get the full package as opposed to watch the half-baked show on monday. same shtick here, if woolcock/jm/headliner/whoever can't do anything til the weekend then I'd much rather just wait for them and get the full package than seabs be forced to post everything that he has at some pre-set deadline just because.
having said that though i do sort of agree with tater that having things more organised probably would improve things, it's just that it's not practical for so many reasons. at the end of day this is just a bit of fun on a wrasslin forum, we aren't the wwe who have a need to meet super strict deadlines or face closure and the loss of billions of pounds.
Magic judged for the first time this show actually. Also Anark, Aid, JM, Bulk and Shep have all been added as judges this year.
You're not taking in anything I put and you're just making yourself look like an idiot at this point. I've already told you why your suggestion doesn't work and why it's not fair to put judges on a deadline.
You're not taking in anything I put and you're just making yourself look like an idiot at this point. I've already told you why your suggestion doesn't work and why it's not fair to put judges on a deadline.
I really don't care if I end up with a bunch of hate. I can take it. As long as it gets us talking about the process and how to improve it, then I am all for it.
Maybe my suggestions are pure shit and would never work. We should still at least talk about these things and get suggestions from everyone on how we can improve the TDL process.
you CANT put the same deadline on a judge as you can a debater as it takes way more time to judge than it does to write a debate and unlike a debate you cant just half ass it at the last second without letting other people down.
i judged one debate with two entries. my feedback was 950 words. that's only for two entries. like seabs has told you repeatedly it takes a lot of time to judge if you have multiple debates with say 4 entries. it wouldnt be fair to place the same deadline on them.
this also isnt RAW. this a fucking WF ya dumbass, where people debate for fun and judges take time out of their own lives to give feedback. no one is getting paid and there's no real reason to have a strict schedule. now please stop your bitching about judges and wait like everyone else. i know woolcock isnt just putting this off for the sake of it, like jim :hayden3, and probably has shit to do IRL before he can commit x-amount of hours into this. he will do it at HIS convience, not yours, so sit down and stop complaining.
Tater come back when you have actual logical arguments for how new cards should only be posted on Thursday's and why judges should be given a deadline that even come close to countering why I've told you they won't happen and we'll talk. Until then you have nothing.
You know for someone who likes to talk himself up as a debater the way you've argued for your suggestions and acknowledged my counter arguments has been abysmal.
I'm not just trying to make my own points here. I am trying to get a conversation going with everyone involved with TDL. I want to hear suggestions from everyone. I bet ya that there are smarter people than me who have better suggestions than I do.
We won't know that though until we all start having the conversation.
But, it's like he's speaking in favor of something that isn't feasible, simply because it may affect the way debates are judged, in the event that "something comes up" and a judge is away at the last minute, which forces a new judge to rush in critiquing debates. There's potential of the judging not being genuine.
And because it's something that I can't imagine having the patience to do, understandable to me that judging takes longer than debating.
Because I'm gonna be real. If I'm using Tater's "ME ME ME" logic and apply that to debating, I could say that all debates should be turned in no more than 24 hours after the card is revealed, simply because I usually do mine in the last 24 hours. In other words, it's only catering to me, without consideration for anybody else or the operation & organization of these debates.
The MNR comparison is kind of contradictory because that details a scenario where they're not trying to cater to the performers, which is obviously what he wants, despite being the only performer (or am I missing somebody?) that wants things to change. In MNR's case, the show goes on, indeed because it's a job where they travel together. Adjustments have to be made because it's a business and money is at stake.
This ain't no business. No money at stake. Only thing at stake is free time. So, it's like you want people to change the setup of TDL because it's convenient to you, ignoring the likelihood that the additional weekend is actually hurting others, who can work better within the context of the current setup.
RugbyRat, I see you looking with your looking ass, too.
You better hope judging for this card takes forever, to prevent your eventual burial.
Seems like Tater is not afraid to challenge authority to create a better society for all involved.
Or he could be a robot yes-man like Headliner.
It's really not a tough decision for me. I'm not afraid to go against the grain and ruffle a few feathers if it means my fellow man benefits from my sacrifice.
Goddamnit, people... I just want to have the fucking conversation. It's not going to kill any of you if we examine the process and get suggestions on how to improve TDL. Even if my suggestions are wrong, I'm still right to make you talk about it. Shocker of all shockers but maybe someone will have some good ideas that will benefit all of us.
idk if it'm missing owt but we're having the discussion now though and its been explained about 5 different times by about 5 different people why inserting stricter deadlines and a '2 weekend' timeframe for debates just isn't practical. i don't really see what else there is to discuss.
Whilst one card is being judged, could the next card be uploaded, with an extended deadline, so people can have something to get on with. I say extended, so it won't harm the quality of the debates of any judges competing in the later card.
That's okay, buddy. I didn't really expect you to add anything intelligent anyways. Reading is a challenge for you. I'm just proud that you can even manage to type and press submit reply. Well done, my friend. Well done. :clap
brah i have no complaints. seabs has done a good enough job on this that i dont mind the current format. it's not like we have any real problems aside from impatience. :toomanykobes
I think it's actually a well run and organized system, all things considered.
Each solution would have pros and cons, adding new judges would speed up the process but you can't know how well or fairly a new judge would do their job. If we are continuously waiting on one judge who never seems to be online then there needs to be a discussion with those who run the game on whether or not they should actually be judging.
Nobody has told you to stop making suggestions just to stop making the same suggestion with awful reasoning when it's been explained to you why it won't benefit TDL.
Seriously move on and pipe down now please. This is the one section that isn't swamped with terrible posts like yours today. Don't break that.
At this point, I'm not even trying to make suggestions anymore. I'm just trying to get the conversation started so we can all hear suggestions from everyone.
Seems like the conclusion has already been came to.
And in all honesty, should've been known for the conversation began, AKA think of others.
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