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Old 07-04-2014, 06:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Well that's unexpected!

Really enjoying reading all these debates and comments. Some of you guys are scary good.

As was my competition btw. Really looking forward to debating you some more in the future, we seem quite evenly matched right now!
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Old 07-04-2014, 06:45 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 07-04-2014, 07:25 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 07-04-2014, 07:29 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Looking back on it, I probably should have provided a reference to some of my jokes.

ie. The white guy/black guy thing = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf5FRPfGiC8 (can't find the whole scene)

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The ending = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F76rmX6qoG4

It probably wouldn't have mattered anyway, as Rigby's debate was a great read.

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damn, I barely kept my undefeated streak alive

good job AwSmash, you put forth a great effort and could've come out of this the winner. congrats
You too. As soon as I saw that it included The Sopranos, I knew it would be brilliant, and it was.
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Congrats to Aid . Seabs and Andre summarised your journey and progress better than I, but like ZOMBO it's really nice to see someone create a name for themselves through TDL and really demonstrate a commitment to gradual improvement to become a great debater. None of us started out immediately as great debaters, but you in particular really persevered and worked to learn from each defeat and become a consistent debater of true quality, and this victory in a legitimately excellent sports title match is a fitting reward. Gutted for BULK but as Andre said, you're too good for your time to not come down the line.

Rigby/AwSmash was a fine contest and great to see Rigby given a stern outing. Not only outlines your quality and potential to defeat a strong opponent but also underlines the depth in quality the social division can now boast. Very proud to see how the division has developed since its hiatus. With the likes of SPC and blarg hopefully returning down the line (we can only hope), there really is a strong group of capable debaters that should produce some absorbing contests.

Congrats to all the winners, and to those who lost take note of your feedback and use it as an incentive to not repeat the same mistakes next time around. You can learn just as much from one defeat as you can from a victory, and the more you take on board the advice the stronger chance you have of becoming a stronger debater by eliminating little mistakes that you'll come to spot.
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Get down! Get down!

Score the first W in the win column for Tater! Woot!

Uh-oh, look who's learned how to write a winning debate. Watch out Social Division... Tater the Debater is on the rise!

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You also dismissed the subject of musicality with one sentence by stating people can argue about song quality and it means nothing. In my opinion, the majority of both debates should have been focused on the musicality. The question wasnít Ďwhich album had the most cultural impactí or sold the most, but which is the better Nirvana album.

Itís a musical question, not a cultural impact question.
Ah... but by your own logic, the debate question wasn't "which album had the better musicality?" ...no? It seems like to me that it was up to me to decide how I wanted to make the case of which one was better and what made it better. Had the topic been "In Utero was a better Nirvana album musically than Nevermind. Agree or Disagree?", then I would have been forced to debate that aspect.

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Tater was a technically superior piece of writing by quite a distance.

The reason why I think the music should have been dealt with is down to the wording of the question: In Utero was a better Nirvana album than Nevermind. Itís asking for a direct comparison between the two albums rather than albums in general

Itís a shame too (unless you got the other judges' votes ) as youíre showing huge improvement style-wise. Itís just this repeating issue with interpreting the question thatís holding you back.
See, this is what I don't really understand about the whole debate and judging process. Seabs tells me that it is up to me how I interpret the debate question. Then, when I get to the judging cards, I run into judging that penalizes me for not debating the topic how they think I should have debated the topic, rather than judging me purely for the quality of my debate.

Explain to me exactly why it is that "better" in this case should be debated on the musicality aspect of the two albums? Because I see nothing in the way the topic is phrased that says anything at all about the music. There is more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to decide what makes something better than something else.

Even though you admit that I wrote the superior debate, I didn't get the vote from you because we interpreted the debate topic differently. If I am allowed freedom in how I choose to debate the topic presented, then I just don't get why I am penalized by the judges for taking a different approach than what is expected. If I was to be told that I am not allowed creativity in my approach to debating... if I am told that the straightforward method is the only acceptable form of debating... then that is what I would do. As long as I am still operating under the belief that creativity is allowed in interpretation, I'm probably going to keep running into this problem.

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Saw my loss coming, congratulations Tater

Although I am pretty happy I got a vote.
I had a feeling that I might get ripped for not debating the music side of things. Thankfully, it was only Anark who wouldn't give me a vote because of that. It seems the other two judges didn't like it either but still gave me the W for the quality of the debate. Still, a win is a win and I'll take it.

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Old 07-04-2014, 09:36 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Get down! Get down!

Score the first W in the win column for Tater! Woot!

Uh-oh, look who's learned how to write a winning debate. Watch out Social Division... Tater the Debater is on the rise!



Ah... but by your own logic, the debate question wasn't "which album had the better musicality?" ...no? It seems like to me that it was up to me to decide how I wanted to make the case of which one was better and what made it better. Had the topic been "In Utero was a better Nirvana album musically than Nevermind. Agree or Disagree?", then I would have been forced to debate that aspect.



See, this is what I don't really understand about the whole debate and judging process. Seabs tells me that it is up to me how I interpret the debate question. Then, when I get to the judging cards, I run into judging that penalizes me for not debating the topic how they think I should have debated the topic, rather than judging me purely for the quality of my debate.

Explain to me exactly why it is that "better" in this case should be debated on the musicality aspect of the two albums? Because I see nothing in the way the topic is phrased that says anything at all about the music. There is more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to decide what makes something better than something else.

Even though you admit that I wrote the superior debate, I didn't get the vote from you because we interpreted the debate topic differently. If I am allowed freedom in how I choose to debate the topic presented, then I just don't get why I am penalized by the judges for taking a different approach than what is expected. If I was to be told that I am not allowed creativity in my approach to debating... if I am told that the straightforward method is the only acceptable form of debating... then that is what I would do. As long as I am still operating under the belief that creativity is allowed in interpretation, I'm probably going to keep running into this problem.



I had a feeling that I might get ripped for not debating the music side of things. Thankfully, it was only Anark who wouldn't give me a vote because of that. It seems the other two judges didn't like it either but still gave me the W for the quality of the debate. Still, a win is a win and I'll take it.

Man you honestly need to stop picking bones with the judges.
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Old 07-04-2014, 09:44 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I would also argue that children who locate their birth parents are less psychologically tortured by the status or reasons which lead to the adoption. Adoption acts like a puzzle for many, in which the adoptee tries to obtain the essential information to explain their life. Various surveys and studies done in United States of America have shown that majority individuals who are deprived this crucial information get engaged in drug abuse like alcoholism and other antisocial behaviors.
Damn, is that why I drink too much and hate society? Because I'm adopted and don't know my birth parents? Shit, and all this time I thought it was because drinking is fun and society sucks.



I had no idea about the suicide stuff involving adopted kids. All the adoption debates were stellar and informative. Props to all 3 debaters.

The only thing I know about my birth parents are that my mother was 16 and poor. I know nothing about my biological father. I've never really cared either. I don't hold my birth mother any ill will. She carried me for 9 months and gave birth to me. I give her due credit for that. Giving me up for adoption was the best option for me and her. I haven't researched statistics about adopted kids before, so I learned a lot from these debates. Again, I've never really cared where I come from.

In a lot of ways, I am proud to be adopted. I got my blood and my name from different fathers. The way I see it, that makes me the only Tate on my biological family tree. That is unique and I take a lot of pride in being unique.

Another way that being adopted helps me is that I don't feel that family pull sucking me back into Alabama. I love my adopted family for being a good family and raising me right. However, I am nothing like those people and moved far, far away because I don't want my adult life being around that environment. If I were related to them by blood, I might be more like them and/or might feel the pull that would drag me back into the South. Thankfully, I have none of that, so I was able to freely move to Hawai'i and build my own life for myself. I didn't take what was given to me. I am not a product of my environment. I can proudly say that I am a self made man and everything I have in life are things I earned for myself.

There were some good points raised about knowing family medical history. To the best of my knowledge, my adoptive mother already has that information, so I have access to it should the need ever arise. Other than that, I've never felt that I had the right to meet my biological parents. If I did want to meet them, I believe I should have the right to request it. I believe I should have the right to send them a notice or something along those lines through the state to see if they are interested in meeting me. I also believe that they should have the right to turn me down if they so choose.

At the end of the day, being adopted has affected the way I look at life but I believe in a positive way. It has given me the mindset of free thinking that has made me into the man I am today.

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I swear I'm not trying to pick bones with the judges. I'm just trying to figure out the process and why debates are judged the way they are.
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congo to all the winners and i will cross all the hurdles and reach sucess
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