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Old 06-16-2014, 01:04 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:09 PM   #42 (permalink)
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It was more I felt you looked at the question too one dimensionally re: assuming it meant if Punk returned today rather than in the longer term future. That was the main point I was disappointed everyone neglected rather than the trust point. I get why you didn't mention it but your debate would have been better if you could have addressed that counter obviously. But if you felt that you couldn't address it without contradicting yourself then you were right to neglect it, just do your best to address counters when they're pretty important (imo) to the topic. What you did argue was well argued, I just thought you could have explored the question with a wider focus rather than the narrow short term one you all took.
Fair play then. .

Oh and I forgot SWAG said he was putting his career on the line . Unlucky Bro
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:34 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I knew I was screwed the moment I found out Seabs would be the tie-breaking judge. And no, Seabs, I don't think it was because of any kind bias due to the debates not being anonymous to you. I strongly disagree with how you judge debates but I would not question your fairness.

The problem with you and my debates is because of your own bias into how the question should be debated. This is something I have previously pointed out. I try to take a creative approach with my debates and any time you've judged me, you don't open your mind to any kind of creative approach. Best I can tell, you want as dull of a straight-forward approach as possible. You've told me in your own words that it is up to the debater how he wants to interpret the question but then when you judged my debate...

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The question was is it TOO MUCH of a negative approach. Read the question and take it in properly
...is in your feedback.

A: "TOO MUCH" wasn't in bold. That's your own interpretation of what the proper question was. Since, according to you, it is up to me how I interpret the debate question, you shouldn't be including your own bias of how the debate should be interpreted in your judging. You say I answered the question well but then you say I answered the wrong question. How can I answer the wrong question if it is up to me to decide how I interpret the question?

B: You say I took no notice of "too much" but I very clearly stated in my opening that there is "no such thing as too much negativity if it gets people to buy newspapers." There was nothing else to say about "too much" beyond that because I had already stated that the concept of too much does not exist in the business of newspapers.

C: The other judges had no problem whatsoever with the approach I took. They actually seemed to appreciate the creative and unique ways myself and my fellow debaters attacked the question. I was critiqued fairly for the content of my debate without any bias of how the question should be interpreted. I applaud and thank Anark, Zombo and Aid for their judging and feedback.



I do have a couple of follow up questions for the judging panel.

Anark:

The stats did me in, eh? I was trying to use the declining sales to bolster my overall point of newspapers not having any choice in the matter. So that was pretty much it? Nothing wrong with the rest of the debate?

Zombo:

I find it interesting that you had the least to say about mine but I got the winning vote. No real question here but I will point out, this is my first victory with a judge. I'm making progress!

Aid:

Damn... I was one missing line away from getting the 2nd vote I needed for a win? You even thought I had the best debate. Ugh, that's heartbreaking.

To answer your question, "Decline of National Newspapers: Alright, so how does this matter to the topic?", same as I said above to Anark; I was trying to use the declining sales to bolster my overall point of newspapers not having any choice in the matter.

"For all I know, you could really mean that they do not have too much of a negative approach because they need to have said approach."

That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Had my closing been...

At the end of the day, selling newspapers is a business and they are in the business of selling newspapers. They are forced to print what sells. Violence sells. Negativity sells. They do not have too much of a negative approach because they need to have said approach. By reporting bad news, they are simply doing what's best for business.

...and included that one line, would it have been victorious?
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:50 PM   #44 (permalink)
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The stats did me in, eh? I was trying to use the declining sales to bolster my overall point of newspapers not having any choice in the matter. So that was pretty much it? Nothing wrong with the rest of the debate?
It was a big paragraph dedicated to bolstering that point that didn't (imo) warrant the space afforded it. If sales are declining rapidly, wouldn't it make more sense for newspapers to try something new instead of flogging the same negativity horse which has already failed to halt their decline? Besides, most national papers have gone online now anyway, yet they still publish the same stories.

And no, that wasn't just it. For more, read the judging for the debate that won.
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:53 PM   #45 (permalink)
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It was a big paragraph dedicated to bolstering that point that didn't (imo) warrant the space afforded it. If sales are declining rapidly, wouldn't it make more sense for newspapers to try something new instead of flogging the same negativity horse which has already failed to halt their decline? Besides, most national papers have gone online now anyway, yet they still publish the same stories.

And no, that wasn't just it. For more, read the judging for the debate that won.
Fair enough. Thanks for the added feedback.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:15 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Oh yeeeah, I kicked that debate's ass, but I'm very disappointed that I didn't use more pictures. I should've had some graphs and charts, more Phoenix Wright references, a group of students smiling gleefully while being lectured... Oh well, maybe next time.

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I did know I'd have Aid in the bag if I had him as a judge Since his feedback was what I incorporated most. And honestly, I didn't get that much negative feed back this time, just caught Rigby on a bad topic.

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Got to hand it to Rigby and Frood. I was beaten in a way which left no questions or rebuttals.
Thanks, you guys did great too. I'm just glad I was put over strong, I don't want anyone thinking I was just handed this undefeated streak
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:30 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Damn... I was one missing line away from getting the 2nd vote I needed for a win? You even thought I had the best debate. Ugh, that's heartbreaking.

To answer your question, "Decline of National Newspapers: Alright, so how does this matter to the topic?", same as I said above to Anark; I was trying to use the declining sales to bolster my overall point of newspapers not having any choice in the matter.

"For all I know, you could really mean that they do not have too much of a negative approach because they need to have said approach."

That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Had my closing been...

At the end of the day, selling newspapers is a business and they are in the business of selling newspapers. They are forced to print what sells. Violence sells. Negativity sells. They do not have too much of a negative approach because they need to have said approach. By reporting bad news, they are simply doing what's best for business.

...and included that one line, would it have been victorious?
Short answer, I think it would have. It was just missing that little something that would have tied it all back together: the question, your interpretation, and your answer. I'm sure there was more for you to win over others, but for me, just this one addition would have tipped the scales in your favor. Don't let that keep you down though. You did a lot of things right and wrote a good piece. You are improving nicely IMO. So just keep improving and you'll get there.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:42 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Yeah, none of the Social Division losers lost much ground on this card because they were all good quality and very close. Plus there's a whole card to go before Rigby gets his shot and plenty of opportunity for the next contenders to stake their claim.

TDL 19 will be very interesting.
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