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Old 05-28-2014, 07:00 AM   #71 (permalink)
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I'm just going to go ahead and say it...

"Do national newspapers have too much of a negative approach towards reporting news?"

...is a shitty fucking topic.

National newspapers? That is way too restrictive for this topic. Were the topic to be phrased to include ALL news outlets (paper, TV internet, radio, etc.), then I can see how this would be a good topic. The way it is phrased though as national newspapers makes it a shitty topic.

As far as we are talking about NATIONAL newspapers, whose fucking NATIONAL are we talking about anyways?

I do not object to the topic but I do object to how the question is phrased.

I am not backing out and I will debate the topic as it is phrased if I have to but I want to be clear that this is a shitty fucking topic and I expect better from TDL.
Quit whining man.
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:02 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Quit whining man.
A valid complaint =/= whining.

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Old 05-28-2014, 07:03 AM   #73 (permalink)
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A valid complaint =/= whining.

I'd rip you harder if your Gump AV wasn't so awesome.
You're in the social division, you're expected to be able to make what you will of the topics and get on with it.

I'm not even having a go I'm just saying you can't complain when a topic doesn't go your way.
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Tater, you keep complaining about the topic but I donít see the problem. National papers still exist, there are people who still read them, and perhaps the nature of the demographic reading them plays into the stance those papers take?
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You're in the social division, you're expected to be able to make what you will of the topics and get on with it.

I'm not even having a go I'm just saying you can't complain when a topic doesn't go your way.
This has nothing to do with the topic going my way. I like the idea of the topic. News media does a lot of negative reporting. I understand that and recognize it as an excellent topic.

MY problem is with how the debate topic is posed. "National newspapers" is only a small fraction of how the news is reported. I want this topic to be about ALL news and not just a subsection of it.
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:10 AM   #76 (permalink)
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This has nothing to do with the topic going my way. I like the idea of the topic. News media does a lot of negative reporting. I understand that and recognize it as an excellent topic.

MY problem is with how the debate topic is posed. "National newspapers" is only a small fraction of how the news is reported. I want this topic to be about ALL news and not just a subsection of it.
Well if you're complaining about how the topic should be different because of what YOU want then it is about the topic not going your way.
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tbf to Tater I do think that question would be easier to answer for a euro or especially a UK person (or even better an Asian as thats the one area newspaper sales are still rising every year), what even are the big national US papers other than the Wall Street Journal/USA today types and then all the trashy tabloids, its a pretty wide distance between those and probably two different questions to answer.

of course the UK has its own mix of serious broadsheets and shitty tabloids too but at least there they're more in the same basic media group.

changing 'newspapers' to news media at least levels the playing field imo (and arguably makes for a more interesting debate).
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Well if you're complaining about how the topic should be different because of what YOU want then it is about the topic not going your way.
That's not what this is about. I could debate the topic of national newspapers and I could do it just fine. Here's the problem with that... national newspapers are dying. I haven't read a national newspaper since the fucking 90s. National newspapers are desperate to keep their readers so they will print all kinds of dumbass shit to keep their readers.

If you want to talk about other news outlets, such as TV and internet news outlets, that is an entirely different debate on how they report their news.

I think this topic should be about how ALL news outlets report their news and should not be restricted to "national newspapers".
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:18 AM   #79 (permalink)
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That's not what this is about. I could debate the topic of national newspapers and I could do it just fine. Here's the problem with that... national newspapers are dying. I haven't read a national newspaper since the fucking 90s. National newspapers are desperate to keep their readers so they will print all kinds of dumbass shit to keep their readers.

If you want to talk about other news outlets, such as TV and internet news outlets, that is an entirely different debate on how they report their news.

I think this topic should be about how ALL news outlets report their news and should not be restricted to "national newspapers".
"could do it just fine"
"here's the problem with that"

As I said, if you want the question to be something different because you'd prefer the one you want then it is about the topic not going the way you want it to go.
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tbf to Tater I do think that question would be easier to answer for a euro or especially a UK person (or even better an Asian as thats the one area newspaper sales are still rising every year), what even are the big national US papers other than the Wall Street Journal/USA today types and then all the trashy tabloids, its a pretty wide distance between those and probably two different questions to answer.

of course the UK has its own mix of serious broadsheets and shitty tabloids too but at least there they're more in the same basic media group.

changing 'newspapers' to news media at least levels the playing field imo (and arguably makes for a more interesting debate).
THANK YOU!

All I want in this debate is fair consideration of all news outlets and not just "national newspapers".
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