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Old 05-13-2014, 06:58 PM   #51 (permalink)
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This was pretty directionless. I wasn't really sure what you were actually arguing for and I don't think you were either. Like half of your debate is a quote from Kobe too which I'm not a fan of using someone else's words to make your own point. Where were the arguments about why the change in how the game is played is bad? What are the drawbacks of a less physical game? That's how you answer the topic tbh and you didn't do this. "I think that it would not be a bad idea" is a really poor way of stating your stance as well because it sounds like you have no confidence and emotion in your stance. So first and foremost I'd say make sure you have a clear direction where you want to take your debate and then think of arguments to show WHY this stance is the correct one compared to the opposing stance and then develop these arguments better with examples as supporting evidence for instance. Then try and clear out the spelling/grammar issues and make the tone of your communication more persuasive.

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Ok at least this one has some passion to it. Like with TKOK though I don't think you had any actual reason for why more/less physicality is good/bad other than your own opinion. The breakdown of the word leeway was good. However, I thought your conspiracy theory stuff was useless. The whole point of conspiracy theories is that they can't be proved which is lousy in a debate where the point is to use PROOF to validate your argument. So you wasted a ton of time talking about something you couldn't argue with any validity. It's just a theory with no undeniable proof. Then your part that related back to the actual topic better was too short in comparison and lacked any persuasive reasoning outside of your opinion. So no more conspiracy theories as evidence ever again because it's not convincing or proof of anything and focus more on reasoning with actual evidence other than just stating your own opinion with nothing/little to back it up.

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On the whole this was good. My only major gripe was how long it took you to state your stance. Everything before you state it feels aimless because I don't know what you're arguing for or where your debate is going. Once you state your stance and get into the bulk of your debate it gets good though. Really concise but effective way of making your points. Concise is good but if you've got the extra words then develop your points more. You may as well use the words and hope you produce something good with them then leave them and know you're not producing anything extra with them. Obviously don't just ramble aimlessly but if the words are there do your best to use them even if it's just developing an existing point. Really good stuff handling the potential counter-arguments that you identified. I liked the way you not only countered them but used them to enhance your own argument. Super supporting evidence too, especially for the children with transgender parents part. Really good on the whole minus the iffy start caused from not stating your stance earlier.
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Old 05-13-2014, 07:36 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Ok at least this one has some passion to it. Like with TKOK though I don't think you had any actual reason for why more/less physicality is good/bad other than your own opinion. The breakdown of the word leeway was good. However, I thought your conspiracy theory stuff was useless. The whole point of conspiracy theories is that they can't be proved which is lousy in a debate where the point is to use PROOF to validate your argument. So you wasted a ton of time talking about something you couldn't argue with any validity. It's just a theory with no undeniable proof. Then your part that related back to the actual topic better was too short in comparison and lacked any persuasive reasoning outside of your opinion. So no more conspiracy theories as evidence ever again because it's not convincing or proof of anything and focus more on reasoning with actual evidence other than just stating your own opinion with nothing/little to back it up.
I think you missed the point that I was trying to make.

It doesn't matter if the conspiracy theories can be proved or not. I was never trying to argue with any validity that the conspiracy theories can be proven. Perception is reality and many people believe the conspiracy theories, regardless of whether or not they can be proven. I was connecting the leeway already allowed by refs to the other conspiracy theories. Why did this player get the call and that one didn't? That's how people think when they watch these games and it leads them to believe there is a conspiracy.

My reason for more physicality in the league is to lessen the conspiracy talk. By taking away the ticky-tack touch fouls, you put the game back in the players hands. With the refs controlling less of the game, there will be less conspiracy talk. A more physical league accomplishes that goal. If you think about it, I was talking about conspiracies so there would be less talk about conspiracies lol

My point is valid but apparently I did not argue my point well enough. Thanks for the feedback.
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I agree with everything Andre said so I'll mostly just build on his feedback and x2 it. Your communication makes your debate very easy to read which is a good start so focus on your actual arguments next time. Some were good, some were good and well developed with supporting evidence and some were very weak and too easy to counter argue. When coming up with your arguments try to counter them yourself and see how easy your arguments are to counter. The squad rotation point was your strongest. I don't see the point in media perception unless it favours the squad. Fuck what the media think if it doesn't help the squad. Agreed with Andre re: the CB rotation. You needed to say you could have one CB pair for Europe and one for the League perhaps. The final part focused too much on Liverpool and strayed away from the actual topic into one you just started yourself. Then when you do bring Utd back into it's just to repeat a point you already made so this paragraph was useless. Also try to state your stance a bit more clearly at the start too. Read Bulk's debate on the main card too for a comparison to a really strong debate on the same topic. Sign up pls, there's potential here with stronger arguments next time.

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Again x2 Andre's feedback from me. You needed to state your stance a bit clearer for me. You started presenting your arguments and I was still a tad unsure on your actual stance because you were missing that explicit statement where you made it abundantly clear what stance you had taken. Your first point felt pretty weak because it was largely based on "this could happen" and for every one of those there's a "but this could also happen". It was too hypothetical. It's also too easy to counter that the right people won't be available year after year. Just look at NXT. You also cite MITB and how great it is and there's been fresh and exciting winners of that year after year now. I thought your MITB alternative was weak too. Good stuff offering an alternative and showing why MITB is better. However it isn't really an either or because MITB has it's own PPV slot that it does really well in. You needed to show me why MITB should no longer be it's own PPV and be moved back to Mania and you didn't. Plus I argued against this pretty convincing in a previous debate. You say how established stars are winning MITB now but there's always been an established winner and a future prospect winner in recent years when there's been two winners. Plus Sandow won last year which hurts your point there. The last two paragraphs also needed splitting into smaller paragraphs to make them more presentable. You don't need a long conclusion but some type of conclusion to your debate rather than just ending on a point is better. With your next debate try to counter argue yourself to see how tight your own arguments are.
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Kind of a stupid question but.......... is this thread continuing or will a new dojo thread be opened?
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Old 05-27-2014, 06:42 AM   #55 (permalink)
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There's plenty of spots on this card that only a few who made the last card missed it so there's no need for a Dojo right now as people are making the main cards. If you want to take a debate from the current card and have a go then I'll give you some feedback now that my work has eased up for a bit.
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