It's a greater indicator than influencing guys like Luger and Sid, but it's not about influencing a couple of guys. It's about changing an ideal. It's about establishing a mindset. Hogan's influence over Austin (which I'm still not entirely convinced of) changed things for a couple of years. His WWF formula changed EVERYTHING... and IT'S STILL AROUND. Austin's not. His influence is not. WCW IS NOT. Hogan's influence over the biggest professional wrestling company of the last few DECADES is of the highest quality of influence, His influence over the 'E is of superior quality to every other superstar in history.
That's fine, but I also covered the fact that Hogan built the WWE in great detail, so that was there. Without him there would have been no Mania and possibly no WWE extending into the 90s. It's all there. The point is that I flipped the question on its head to say, "you know what, Austin had a monster impact as well, but Hogan was responsible for that as well as being the original building blocks of the WWF". I appreciate what you did with your debate, but I just felt that I deserved some more credit for how I argued that Hogan created two environments (being the reason that the WWF still existed for Austin to work in and creating the environment that helped Austin thrive in the 90's) that lead to the long term success of the WWE, as well as assisting Austin's rising star.
Grand scheme of things, much like Austin, WCW didn't change anything. It was cool while it lasted, and then everything returned to the status quo.
They both changed a hell of a lot. WCW was putting WWF out of business, while Austin saved the WWF. To suggest that neither changed anything is ridiculous. Take WCW away and it's likely that the WWF would have continued to stagnate while the wrasslin' industry in North America wouldn't have received the very firm kick up the arse that it required at that time in order to save itself. Take Austin out of the equation and the WWF most likely goes out of business with WCW continuing to kick its arse. Then the time warner merger occurs and what are we left with? Of course WCW and Austin mattered in the grand scheme of things...
McMahon and his company are pro wrestling in North America. If we want to talk Japan, I guess that's fine, but as far as WCW and anything else that pales in comparison to professional wrestling for the last twenty some odd years when compared to the 'E, It's a blip... an anomaly.
Nice memories. I love them all, but what's it mean in the long term?? Not long term as in a couple of years - long term for decades?? I'm just saying.
As already stated in the previous part...
It has to be acknowledged in a debate about pro graps considering that WCW played a huge part. It played a huge part in the development of pro graps in North America, including its long term survival.
Again, this isn't about taking anything away from you, just felt that I wasn't given enough credit and that the main concept of my debate was overlooked a bit.