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Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

Does anyone else feel that Foley's dim view of this match makes for it having murky qualification status as a true classic?

Seeing it live, it was breathtaking. The handcuffs, the chairshots, the mic work - a truly heavy angle. It was almost surreal how well the motivation of each character was sold to the audience. The combination of how important the belt felt to Foley and how pissed Rock was at the humiliation of losing it made for an epic mark-out that for all purposes should be imminently rewatchable.

Yet for me and I'm sure others, it's not. Foley's criticism of both his actions and The Rock's in the match - not to mention his family's experience at the show - make it pretty uncomfortable to watch or even remember.

Those particularly sensitive to concussion caution might find it unfathomable.

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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

I'm sure Foley probably feels about this match somewhat the same as he does with the HIAC. He didn't want to be remembered as a glorified stuntman who existed solely to take insane punishment. Unfortunately, most who watch this match will probably think just that, so I don't blame him for it possibly being a sore topic. However, for those of us on this site, at least, we can truly appreciate what he did and realize that it was way more than just a ton of blood and violence. It was an awesome match. Sometimes you have to push the envelope a bit too far to make a truly lasting impact, for something that will leave an impression on people. Its kinda like how HIAC with Taker set an entirely new precedent to the audience at home.

Anyway, this is one of my all time favorite matches, but I appreciate it on a level above senseless violence. It told an incredible story, and I loved the build up to it. It'll always be a match that I remember. Do I find it hard to watch? Not really, but that's probably because I've seen it so many times. Some people are so uptight about that kind of thing, but that's them. I've personally never been bothered by that kind of thing.



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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

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I'm sure Foley probably feels about this match somewhat the same as he does with the HIAC. He didn't want to be remembered as a glorified stuntman who existed solely to take insane punishment. Unfortunately, most who watch this match will probably think just that, so I don't blame him for it possibly being a sore topic. However, for those of us on this site, at least, we can truly appreciate what he did and realize that it was way more than just a ton of blood and violence. It was an awesome match. Sometimes you have to push the envelope a bit too far to make a truly lasting impact, for something that will leave an impression on people. ]Its kinda like how HIAC with Taker set an entirely new precedent to the audience at home.

Anyway, this is one of my all time favorite matches, but I appreciate it on a level above senseless violence. It told an incredible story, and I loved the build up to it. It'll always be a match that I remember. Do I find it hard to watch? Not really, but that's probably because I've seen it so many times. Some people are so uptight about that kind of thing, but that's them. I've personally never been bothered by that kind of thing.


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That match made The Rock looked savage, while Mankind looked like a Hardcore badass. I think they got the audience where they wanted them. The buildup to the match was great as you said, and garnered even more sympathy towards Mankind. I truly didn't believe The Rock would piss me off that night like he did at Survivor Series98....I was wrong.




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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

Reading Foley's first two books, he could not feel more differently about the those two matches.

He seems to view HIAC as kind of a miracle and beautiful accident. He is rather ashamed of "I Quit" - both for putting his family in that position and for essentially daring The Rock to knock him out at one point in the match. He said he lost himself in his character to a detriment during the match. As is widely known, he also was upset that The Rock hit him so hard and that he winged the number of shots instead of adhering to the original plan (Foley said they agreed on five. It ended up being 11).

He stated in "Foley Is Good" that (paraphrasing), "I've yet to meet the guy who tells me 'I Quit is the best match ever, I could watch it over and over.' And I don't think I'd want to."
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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

It was a great match.My respect for Mick Foley increased after watching that match.
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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

No one is disputing that it was a great. I cannot heap enough praise on its next level storytelling. That wasn't the point of the discussion I am trying to initiate.

Basically asking if the experience of watching it now is different than seeing it in its time given what we know about the tension it built between the performers and of course current knowledge of concussion effects. There was nothing majestic about the violence here; it was brutal and - in ways both good and bad - ugly.

Personally, I don't know how it can't be a different experience if you care about the performers beyond what they can give you for entertainment.
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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

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No one is disputing that it was a great. I cannot heap enough praise on its next level storytelling. That wasn't the point of the discussion I am trying to initiate.

Basically asking if the experience of watching it now is different than seeing it in its time given what we know about the tension it built between the performers and of course current knowledge of concussion effects. There was nothing majestic about the violence here; it was brutal and - in ways both good and bad - ugly.

Personally, I don't know how it can't be a different experience if you care about the performers beyond what they can give you for entertainment.
If I went back and watched a football game from the 80's I'm not going to cringe upon seeing a helmet to helmet hit. Even knowing what we know that many of those guys have severe substance abuse problems, CTE, and some have even committed suicide.

We all accept that those kind of needless hits need to go away, and that the hardcore wrestling of the AE is long gone and rightfully so but I'm not sure if that should change how I feel about rewatching it.
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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

it was brutal as shit, and one is my favourite match the pair had together

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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

The best 'I quit' match of all time.That match displayed that side of The Rock,which none of us were familiar with before.

THE ROCK: The biggest star and draw of pro-wrestling industry EVER.

1.Holds the record of drawing most major shows with 10,000+ attendance on top in one calendar year.[Broke Hogan's(1986) and Austin's(1998) record in 1999 and set a record of headlining over 100 shows with 10,000 plus people in attendance in year 2000.A box-office drawing record that is unsurpassed till date.]

2.Holds the record of main-eventing almost 17 PPVs that have got over 500k buys(again,a feat of inimitable drawing power that is unmatched by anyone in pro-wrestling history)

3.Drew the highest cable ratings during the AE.

4.Sold more merchandise than anyone active between mid 1999-2001.
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Re: Legacy of Rock-Foley "I Quit" match

This match is a classic and Foley really needs to embrace it as such, he should feel guilty about letting his family see it but that's on him. It seems like at times Foley wants us to remember him for something he wasn't, he was as he put it "The guy that got shot out of the cannon" so his job was to do the most dangerous stuff. He's been hardcore his entire career and i don't think those chair shots are the most brutal thin to have happen to him, my only complaint about this match is that it spawned a couple of horrible remakes.
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