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Old 08-21-2013, 10:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Jim Cornette did a really explanation of it.

The whole thing was a shoot, they made it a shoot by putting up a large amount of money that the winner would actually win since it'd make the guys actually bother to try and win rather than taking a dive.

Dr. Death was supposed to and expected to win the entire tournament and proceed to a monster push. He tore his hamstring in one of the matches before (or during) his match with Bart Gunn. Bart Gunn was way more of a legit fighter than anyone gave him credit for and knocked out Dr. Death.

Because their plans were ruined they put him in the Butterbean match as punishment.
That was nonsensical, though. If you plan on pushing someone, why do you put him in a shoot fight which is unpredictable and anything can go wrong...which it did?

If the part about Bart Gunn being punished is true, what was he supposed to do in a shoot fight?

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Old 08-22-2013, 07:08 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'd love to know who thought the whole thing up. It was a stupid idea then and it's a stupid idea now. You can't expect fans to care about your product when you bring out a tournament and tell them "Hey, you'll like this guys cause these fellas are REALLY fighting instead of jumping around a ring in coercion with each other in a bunch of choreographed moves!"

It's ludicrous and I'm so glad their plans fucked up big time. And don't feel bad for Bart Gunn - I'm sure getting your shit pushed in by Butterbean isn't nice for anyone but at least he presumably got a decent Wrestlemania paycheck out of it.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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That was nonsensical, though. If you plan on pushing someone, why do you put him in a shoot fight which is unpredictable and anything can go wrong...which it did?

If the part about Bart Gunn being punished is true, what was he supposed to do in a shoot fight?
They thought Steve Williams would win because he was tough, and they underestimated Bart Gunn

I dont think they punished bart gunn, but once again, underestimated Butterbean

which is probably why vince finds that sticking to fake fighting is for the best
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That was nonsensical, though. If you plan on pushing someone, why do you put him in a shoot fight which is unpredictable and anything can go wrong...which it did?

If the part about Bart Gunn being punished is true, what was he supposed to do in a shoot fight?
They assumed Dr. Death would win easily.

Cornette pointed out that while Steve Williams was a legit championship amateur wrestler and tough as nails fighter he hadn't been training for a shoot competition in years (none of the guys were for that matter).

Watch these 2 videos, Cornette explains it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4icDCX3a4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSvsW...4A7705889BD7AC
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:54 PM   #15 (permalink)
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They thought Steve Williams would win because he was tough, and they underestimated Bart Gunn

I dont think they punished bart gunn, but once again, underestimated Butterbean

which is probably why vince finds that sticking to fake fighting is for the best

Underestimated Butterbean? Butterbean was a championship boxer with dozens of knockouts.

Bart Gunn was a guy with no legitimate boxing experience. It was meant as a punishment, they knew Bart Gunn would get knocked out easily.
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It was pretty low of WWE to punish Bart Gunn. Was it wrong of him to try his best to win?
The WWE is stupid.

The only two guys to get themselves over IMO were Bart Gunn and Zack Ryder.

The WWE screwed them both over.


The one thing I don't get is how did people think Dr. Death would win the thing when Severn was in the Brawl for All.
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They assumed Dr. Death would win easily.

Cornette pointed out that while Steve Williams was a legit championship amateur wrestler and tough as nails fighter he hadn't been training for a shoot competition in years (none of the guys were for that matter).

Watch these 2 videos, Cornette explains it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_4icDCX3a4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSvsW...4A7705889BD7AC

WWF is Stupid...

Dan Severn is a better Wrestler then Steve Williams
Marc Mero was a Golden Gloves Boxer

I really have no clue how the idiots in the WWE thought Williams was gonna win.
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WWF is Stupid...

Dan Severn is a better Wrestler then Steve Williams
Marc Mero was a Golden Gloves Boxer

I really have no clue how the idiots in the WWE thought Williams was gonna win.
According to Shamrock and Severn the WWE forced Severn out and didn't allow Shamrock to enter.
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According to Wikipedia, participation in the Brawl For All matches was voluntary. Bart Gunn could have refused to fight Butterbean.
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:02 PM   #20 (permalink)
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The WWE is stupid.

The only two guys to get themselves over IMO were Bart Gunn and Zack Ryder.

The WWE screwed them both over.


The one thing I don't get is how did people think Dr. Death would win the thing when Severn was in the Brawl for All.
Bart Gunn didn't get over. The crowd HATED the Brawl For All fights.
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