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Old 07-31-2013, 06:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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They did. The Ruthless Aggression era was WCW 2.0. It was the same exact product as WCW was in the 90s.

The WWF won, but they threw away everything that made them win in the first place.
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wcw would have been out of business either way by 2003, wwe themselves were struggling by that time and they were a much better run company than wcw
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the crow Sting was made in wcw


You could also argue that Hollywood Hogan was made by WCW.
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WCW still would've folded, but they likely would've absorbed a lot of the WWF guys. The WCW folded because of the AOL/TW merger (the head honchos didn't want to be associated with wrestling). Perhaps with WCW being the only game in town, someone else would've bought it (maybe Ted again? Or Bischoff?).

It is easy to say "WCW product was crap at that time", but in the end days, the damage had already been done. Had the WWF folded in '98, it isn't far fetched that WCW would've been run differently from '98-'01.

I still think WCW would've been sold after the merger, but there would've been more profit with it being the only nation-wide wrestling promotion and someone else would've picked it up.
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They did. The Ruthless Aggression era was WCW 2.0. It was the same exact product as WCW was in the 90s.
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I don't agree with him saying it was the same product, but WWE during the RA Era, ESPECIALLY SmackDown, had very, very, very striking similarities to WCW so he does have a point.

1. SmackDown really focused on wrasslin' heads... Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Haas, Benjamin, Guerreros, Benoit, etc. all were prototypical wrasslers... the kind WCW loved.

2. The format of Smackdown was exactly the same as WCW. Cruiserweight battle opened every SmackDown. The Cruiserweight division was actually really legitimate. Followed by Tag Team battle. Tag Team division was actually really legitimate. Followed by mid card battle. Mid Card division was actually really legitimate. Followed by Main Event battle. Main Event was actually really legitimate. From 1995-late 1998/maybe early 1999, WCW followed this format exactly.

3. It seemed like all the uppercard wrestlers... Big Show.... Undertaker.... Lesnar.... Angle.... Guerrero.... had little to no gimmick or flash to them whereas the outlandish gimmicks such as Thug Cena, Mordecai, Boogeyman, etc. were all reserved for the lower to mid cards as cheaper entertainment, similar to how WCW was save for the Sting vs. NWO Storyline.

When you consider this, then consider that Vince originally wanted to recreate WCW (but the booker and the buff bagwell match received so much criticism), it isn't that outlandish that Vince essentially sat down with creative, and decided to recreate WCW, but never mention WCW.
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The Invasion would've gone 1000x better.
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WCW was still pulling in decent ratings when it folded. WCW folding had nothing to do with Raw beating them in ratings. At the time of the AOL/Time Warner merger, they just decided they didn't want to be in the wrestling business anymore. My bet is, WCW was never really profitable because they were paying too many guys too much money to do absolutely nothing.
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I don't agree with him saying it was the same product, but WWE during the RA Era, ESPECIALLY SmackDown, had very, very, very striking similarities to WCW so he does have a point.

1. SmackDown really focused on wrasslin' heads... Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Haas, Benjamin, Guerreros, Benoit, etc. all were prototypical wrasslers... the kind WCW loved.

2. The format of Smackdown was exactly the same as WCW. Cruiserweight battle opened every SmackDown. The Cruiserweight division was actually really legitimate. Followed by Tag Team battle. Tag Team division was actually really legitimate. Followed by mid card battle. Mid Card division was actually really legitimate. Followed by Main Event battle. Main Event was actually really legitimate. From 1995-late 1998/maybe early 1999, WCW followed this format exactly.

3. It seemed like all the uppercard wrestlers... Big Show.... Undertaker.... Lesnar.... Angle.... Guerrero.... had little to no gimmick or flash to them whereas the outlandish gimmicks such as Thug Cena, Mordecai, Boogeyman, etc. were all reserved for the lower to mid cards as cheaper entertainment, similar to how WCW was save for the Sting vs. NWO Storyline.

When you consider this, then consider that Vince originally wanted to recreate WCW (but the booker and the buff bagwell match received so much criticism), it isn't that outlandish that Vince essentially sat down with creative, and decided to recreate WCW, but never mention WCW.

I think its mostly coincidence. The WWE just had much more talent on their roster in the RA era than in the Attitude years, partly because of WCW/ECW folding. I also think once they won the MNWs there was no need to push boundaries and risk negative publicity anymore. The Attitude Era was necessary in the late 90s because they didnt have the top to bottom roster to compete with WCW, especially in terms of in ring work, so they instead went for a more mature,fast paced,angle heavy brawlfest as an alternative to what WCW were doing. They didnt need to do that in the RA era, so they toned down the controversial risque stuff and utilised all the great in ring workers they now had in a more wrestling orientated product.

Regarding point #1, the difference was in RA era WWE superb in ring workers like Benoit and Guerrero were pushed to main event status, whereas in WCW guys like that were stuck on the undercard forever while Hogan et al stunk up the main event scene having the same matches in 1997 that they did in 1987.

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I think its mostly coincidence. The WWE just had much more talent on their roster in the RA era than in the Attitude years, partly because of WCW/ECW folding. I also think once they won the MNWs there was no need to push boundaries and risk negative publicity anymore. The Attitude Era was necessary in the late 90s because they didnt have the top to bottom roster to compete with WCW, especially in terms of in ring work, so they instead went for a more mature,fast paced,angle heavy brawlfest as an alternative to what WCW were doing. They didnt need to do that in the RA era, so they toned down the controversial risque stuff and utilised all the great in ring workers they now had in a more wrestling orientated product.

Regarding point #1, the difference was in RA era WWE superb in ring workers like Benoit and Guerrero were pushed to main event status, whereas in WCW guys like that were stuck on the undercard forever while Hogan et al stunk up the main event scene having the same matches in 1997 that they did in 1987.
Yeah, the wrasslin' thing was really WCW from the beginning of it's roots to 1995... Management didn't care focus on personalities, storylines, gimmick matches, etc. as much as just wrasslin.

It might be a coincidence... just a really, really, big one.
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