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Old 06-30-2013, 05:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Face/Heel turns that feel flat in the long run!

Sometimes heel and face turns are made because its necessary but sometimes turning a character face to heel or heel to face can probably break a character instead of build them.

Is there any examples in which a role turn like this has turned out making a character worse

Here's a few I think didn't work. I can only think of face turns right now but if someone can help me think of some heel turns that failed that would be great. More failed face turns are also welcome.

Yokozuna (face turn)- As a heel this man was a beast, he dominated the WWE for a good two years, beating Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan and the Undertaker. He was one of the longest running champions of his era and together with Mr Fuji they were a force to be reckoned with. Then he turned face and it was just horrible, Yokozuna turned from a beast to a clumsy oaf, he broke the dropes, slipped of the turnbuckle and straight up lost clean to superstars he could have easily beat as a heel. The man was never the same after that and would never recover, leaving a year later.

Big Boss Man (face turn) - He was the bad cop everyone loved to hate, siding with Ted Dibiase fighting guys like Hogan. He was a pretty good heel and got really good heat. Of cours ehe turned face and the crowd did like him. Even I became a fan. But he was very much a mid card guy who eventually ended up jobbing before leaving the WWE. His face turn really did him no favors. the Big Bossman returned in the Attitude Era as (in my opinion) one of the best incarnations of The Big Bossman I have seen. a great heel in some of the most shocking storylines and also appeared in several main events. This proved that the man was a born heel.

Doink the Clown (face turn)
- 'nuff said to be honest. Doink the Clown (Matt Borne at the time) was a scary clown character. If like me you were scared of clowns as a kid then Doink wouldn't do you any favors. Casting Doink illusions and in ring tricks on opponents this man was a cross between Batmans' Joker and Stephen Kings IT. Then his face turn. Dear god his face turn. Even as a kid at the time I wasn't amused. the man became a literal joke, teaming with a midget names Dink as well as his horrible survivor series match and his feud with Bam Bam Bigalow. It was just cringe worthy TV. Doink to me will also be that horrifying clown with great in ring skills, that made kids in the audience cry.

Tatanka - (Heel Turn) - When Tatanka came to the WWe, he was great a native American gimmick that gave us some great matches, the man instantly became a good mid card guy who score a a year long undefeated streak and gathered a crowd following, people loved to love this guy. But never won any mid card title but at the same time remained a strong contender while also not being a jobber. His heel turn though was interested the idea of him selling out to Ted Dibiase was pretty good but the storyline went no where other than a feud with Lex Lugar it just stopped, they made him directionless and just ended up the jobber of the Million Dollar Corporation.
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Lex Luger. The Narcissist gimmick was great, but when he turned face and did the All-American thing it fell flat. They tried, I give them that, and he was pushed hard with the Lex Express and all that, but people weren't buying it.
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Good calls so far on Yoko, Doink, Tatanka and Luger. Here are some more to chew on....

Ahmed Johnson turning heel in 1997. This killed whatever momentum he still had left after his constant injuries.
Steve Austin turning heel in 2001 was highly entertaining but I think it hurt WWE far more than it helped.
Bam Bam Bigelow's face turn in 1995 was pretty stupid. It was made even worse by those goofy life preserver things he wore on his arms.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:31 AM   #4 (permalink)
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One word: Rikishi.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
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While it didn't fall flat exactly, as he is still over with fans, I'd say turning Kane face just ruined his character. Paul Bearer turning on him, and tagging Kane up with X-Pac lead us down this road of Kane being a comedy character.

WWE did a good job turning him heel and making him intimidating once he lost his mask, but as usual, it was like creative had no idea how to use him, thus turned him face again. Which again lead to Kane being a joke.

I get that one day Kane will go into the hall of fame, but there is a whole generation of wrestling fans who will only remember Kane being intimidating in that two month span where he came back and feuded with Cena. Kane's legacy really isn't much better than BigShow's at this point.
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Lex Luger. The Narcissist gimmick was great, but when he turned face and did the All-American thing it fell flat. They tried, I give them that, and he was pushed hard with the Lex Express and all that, but people weren't buying it.
I am currently watching the New Generation, and I have to say, I see that Luger was not everyone's cup of tea.

But dammit, I am enjoying him right now. He was actually very over. I know I made a thread about this before, but I have no idea why Luger did not take the title at Summerslam and then lose to Yokozuna at the Rumble, so Bret could take the title at Wrestlemania. The New Generation was goofy as hell, but I like shit like that. I have always chosen campy over edgy.
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I am currently watching the New Generation, and I have to say, I see that Luger was not everyone's cup of tea.

But dammit, I am enjoying him right now. He was actually very over. I know I made a thread about this before, but I have no idea why Luger did not take the title at Summerslam and then lose to Yokozuna at the Rumble, so Bret could take the title at Wrestlemania. The New Generation was goofy as hell, but I like shit like that. I have always chosen campy over edgy.
I agree with that. The angle was hot as hell when it first started, around July/August of '93, and if they were going to put the strap on Luger then that would of been the time to do it. But by the time Mania rolled around, Bret was the clear choice. Even Lex says that.
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-I don't think anyone can say Stone Cold's heel turn was a flop.

-WWE and pro-wrestling was going down no matter what

-It was highly entertaining and showed Stone Cold's heel run was as good as his heel run in 1996
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Rikishi heel turn from 2000.
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As of recent :

Alberto Del Rio, Face
Ryback, Heel

Booking destroyed Ryback mostly, however.
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