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Old 06-30-2013, 12:15 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'd say the Giant in WCW turning face after leaving the NWO. He was great back then at playing the dominant heel. When he was kicked out of the NWO and turned face he really had nothing left to do. I think he won a few tag championships with luger but thats it.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:10 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Alberto Del Rio, Face
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Booking destroyed Ryback mostly, however.
Agreed on these 2. Also Miz as a face and Punk's latest heel turn. Nobody was buying it.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:15 AM   #13 (permalink)
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No one else has siad it so I will, Big Boss Man's is the obvious "elephant in the room". He was easily the second or third best face for a while, and way over. What else would they have done with him? By turning him face they kept him at least upper mid card..

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Old 07-01-2013, 12:46 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Default Re: Face/Heel turns that feel flat in the long run!

I agree on the Lex Express but I'll go back further and mention his 1991 turn in WCW. I thought Luger was an okay heel (thanks to Harley Race) but IMO, it fell flat for the following reasons:

The whole situation with Flair sucked all interest out of the angle. Nobody gave a shit about Luger vs. Windham, they wanted Flair.

It should have never happened, as Windham should have aligned with Harley Race and become the top heel in the company, due to the Flair connection and a previous feud with eventual champion, Sting. Well, not exactly a feud but the fact that he "attempted" to cost Sting the title at HH '90 could have led to a program.

And more importantly, Luger was gone in 6 months. He rarely wrestled in the fall & winter and immediately after dropping the title to Sting, he left. Seemed kind of dumb to run a heel turn angle and give a guy the belt, with his contract not calling for him to be around much anyway and shortly after, made it known that he wanted to leave the company.


Vader in 1995 & 1997

Now, I realize the 1995 turn never fully got started, as Vader got fired but it was dumb anyway. The thing I find to be dumb about it is how Hogan seemingly wanted Vader to turn babyface and align with him but shot down a similar angle a year prior with Ric Flair.

And in 1997, Vader was totally lost in the shuffle. Turning him face MIGHT have been okay if he was still in the title picture but by that point, he couldn't have been further from it. And even then, I'm not sure how big a face Vader/heel Bret feud for the WWE Title would have fared. Either way, Vader never recovered from that.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:42 AM   #15 (permalink)
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No one else has siad it so I will, Big Boss Man's is the obvious "elephant in the room". He was easily the second or third best face for a while, and way over. What else would they have done with him? By turning him face they kept him at least upper mid card..
True but when ever I remember Big Bossman I can only think of his heel days both pre and post his face turn. I dont remember hardly any feuds he had as a face right off the bat, nothing memorable really springs to mind. the only fued that comes to mind during his face run was Mr Perfect and Nailz. I know mnay others but I really have to think alot harder to try an remember therm. You are right though he was super over with the crowd, but he was a natural heel at best, he always seemed alot more comfortable as a heel than as a face and you can tell when you see him.

Now obviously I am a fan (as you can clearly see), but I guess its down to personal preference if you like his face run and think it was better, then more power to you
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Didn't really like Austin's heel turn in 2001. Kind of killed the charcater in my eyes. He lost all his mystique.
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Rock turning face right before survivor series

the turning heel at survivor series

why

seriously, why in satans name would anyone do that
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:31 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Sting's heel turn in WCW.
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Austin's in 2001 for sure. It had its funny moments, but at what point did he actually get booed on a regular basis?
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:42 PM   #20 (permalink)
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-I don't think anyone can say Stone Cold's heel turn was a flop.

-WWE and pro-wrestling was going down no matter what

-It was highly entertaining and showed Stone Cold's heel run was as good as his heel run in 1996
Agreed on all points. Even if Austin shouldn't have turned (which he shouldn't), and even if 2001 was an awful year because of the botched Invasion and horrendous booking (which it was), it still doesn't change the fact that Austin was absolutely sensational. That heel run in '01, in terms of the quality of both his promos and his ring work, might have legitimately been the best run of Austin's entire career.
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