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Old 06-29-2013, 02:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default How did HBK have so much influence over Vince?

Please no "how do you know what happened" shite. Please, spare me that. Yes I wasn't there, but I think it's safe to say that HBK and HHH were absolute bastards backstage back in the 90's.
Regarding HHH, alot of his stroke is to do with that he is essentially part of the McMahon family and he has easier access to Vince. I also acknowledge that Hulk Hogan was a huge politician. But I think the fact that he was a massive cultural phenomenon in the 80's perhaps afforded him some luxuries.
But I never got how HBK had so much influence over Vince. Don't get me wrong, the man was amazing in the ring, but he was never much of a draw or a big name outwith wrestling. In fact, in my opinion his run as WWF champion and babyface in 1996 was pretty lackluster. He has an uninspiring feud with the British Bulldog, a program with Vader in which Vader should have won the belt but didn't, one great match with Mankind, then he dropped the belt to Sid at SS1996. He was also getting booed quite a bit in 1996 as well despite being the number one face.
Like I said before I get Hogan, and to an extent HHH getting away with it, but Michaels I do not get why Vince indulged him so much. And it was even happening in before 1995 also.
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Default Re: How did HBK have so much influence over Vince?

Can't really say I have much knowledge of WWE pre 1998 but im pretty sure he was a huge draw and was only getting bigger and bigger at a time where WCW were pretty much kicking WWE's ass. Especially around 1997 he was becoming huge in the company. Michaels was one of the main reasons the fans were still tuning in and HBK along with the rest of the clique probably knew this and thus used it to their advantage knowing Vince wouldn't wanna risk losing him to WCW.
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The Road Warriors, Honky Tonk Man, and Bret Hart (and likely many others) have alleged of a homosexual relationship between McMahon and Shawn Michaels. I'm not saying it's true but I do find it crazy that HBK got away with things that no one else in WWF history had gotten away with at the time.
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Default Re: How did HBK have so much influence over Vince?

He was literally the only character the WWE had at that time that could counter WCW.
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Default Re: How did HBK have so much influence over Vince?

And he didn't. WWF pretty much got their asses kicked until Austin took off. Michaels was a great wrestler, but he was never going to be able to lead the charge against WCW. He had neither the drawing power nor the character (backstage as well) to do it.
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He was literally the only character the WWE had at that time that could counter WCW.
Bret Hart and The Undertaker were still bigger draws than Michaels in '96
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Bret Hart and The Undertaker were still bigger draws than Michaels in '96
Did Hart not come back to try and boost ratings because WWF got such a doing under Michael's tenure as champion?
Hart wasn't the answer either. Again, great wrestler, but it took Austin to turn the tide.
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Did Hart not come back to try and boost ratings because WWF got such a doing under Michael's tenure as champion?
Hart wasn't the answer either. Again, great wrestler, but it took Austin to turn the tide.
Yes. But Hart helped Austin reach that upper echelon in late '96/early '97 with their matches at Survivor Series and WrestleMania. Michaels was in his "I won't job to anyone" prima donna stage and Hart was there to elevate and eventually help Austin become the face of the WWF with the double-turn at WrestleMania.

Bret Hart was one of the unsung pioneers of the Attitude Era.

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You're spot on mate. Bret was big enough to turn heel and help push Austin more. So Hart did his bit, and like you say, Michael's was only out for himself back then. He apparently even had to be "persuaded" by Taker to do the job at Mania 14. The c*** was unbelievable!
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You're spot on mate. Bret was big enough to turn heel and help push Austin more. So Hart did his bit, and like you say, Michael's was only out for himself back then. He apparently even had to be "persuaded" by Taker to do the job at Mania 14. The c*** was unbelievable!
He sure was. Undertaker was right there at the Gorilla position and had threatened to legitimately kick Shawn Michaels' ass if Shawn had dared to find a way out of losing the title.
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