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Old 06-29-2013, 02:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Ok, this is just retarded. At the time when ECW died hardcore wrestling was at it's very white hot and was only going go get bigger. It was on it's biggest peak since the days of Funk/Onita/Abdullah in the 80's Japan.
It's not "retarded" considering by 2002 Ring of Honor was the new hot indy promotion and WWE did away with hardcore wrestling.

And besides, if you don't believe me, Paul Heyman can tell you himself:

WWECLASSICS.COM: Would ECW’s extreme content have changed if the company had continued?

HEYMAN: The content of the company was set to change anyway. The hardcore era was over.

WWECLASSICS.COM: What would that new style have been?

HEYMAN: We certainly would have gone toward incorporating more of a progressive, submission-based style, rather than relying on what had been hot from ’94 to ’99. We would have accepted the influence of mixed martial arts quicker than the others, but never lost sight of it still being pro wrestling. That’s where we were headed. The flaming tables and the barbed wire would’ve been saved for the big-time moments. Things were moving toward more of a hybrid style that nobody had found the niche for yet.

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Old 06-29-2013, 03:29 PM   #32 (permalink)
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ECW was a glorified training ground for WCW and WWF. Guys like Eddie, Jericho, Foley (to an extent), Mysterio, Malenko, and so many others wrestled in Japan/Mexico and when they came to America, they couldn't get a break anywhere else. But Heyman gave them a chance and they started to make a name for themselves. And once they did, the bigger companies started to notice them and basically poached them from ECW with big money contracts that ECW couldn't afford to give. How long could you expect ECW to keep up with this? Sure towards the end they had RVD, Rhyno, etc but it was only a matter of time before they jumped over to the big leagues which would then cause ECW to start looking for new talent again.
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Their shoestring budget. Had WCW not been able to sweep their talent from under them, they would have outlived WCW by a mile.
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Unfortunately, Heyman's financial decisions. He owed so many people money, it was borderline criminal. It's like a small-market professional sports franchise with a good, but still far smaller than normal budget spending lots of money on B-tier Free Agents and overpaying them. ECW was essentially the Triple A of professional wrestling, but damn is it missed.
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A few reasons:-

* Product was too violent in general to really capture a mainstream audience, it was also going to be a niche.

* They expanded too fast in too short of a period of time, they pretty much created a bubble for themselves that eventually had to burst.

* Heyman was a terrible businessman.

Once the Attitude Era really got going, there wasn't much more violence in ECW than WWE. There were flaming table spots and the occasional use of barbed wire in ECW, but not much more really hardcore stuff. Most ECW matches weren't that violent.

I always wondered if Vince purposely tried to sabotage ECW in 1999. Within a month after ECW on TNN started, the Dudleys and Taz were signed to WWE. Dudleys were, by far, the biggest heels at the time, and Taz was arguably the biggest face (it was close between him and RVD).
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Money.

Prior to 1997, they were paying to air in syndication.

Once PPV started, they wouldn't get paid for that until a month or 2 later. And when they did, it was to cover previous debts.


And more importantly, Heyman overworking himself and forcing out Tod Gordon, who was the majority of their financial backing.

From all accounts, ECW shouldn't have lasted as long as it did.

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it was financial, heyman had a great eye for talent, and wrestling perspective, but he was never a good businessman
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Money.

Prior to 1997, they were paying to air in syndication.

Once PPV started, they wouldn't get paid for that until a month or 2 later. And when they did, it was to cover previous debts.


And more importantly, Heyman overworking himself and forcing out Tod Gordon, who was the majority of their financial backing.

From all accounts, ECW shouldn't have lasted as long as it did.

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Didn't Vince bail Heyman out financially too on occasion?
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I don't know why anyone would say it was too smarky. WWE audiences chanted ECW on a weekly basis during the Attitude era, they were looking for reasons to chant for it. It was the hip, underground alternative to WWE/WCW. And it was a true alternative in every way, the content was much different until WWE adopted a good portion of it.

It's not so much that it was "killed", it was never going to be a long-term thing. I think the nail was hit on the head about how WWE/WCW lured away most of their top talents. And ECW was working tiny venues with loud drunken audiences with no real advertising for PPV or anything. Their revenue couldn't of been great, so it's not surprising Paul had the financial troubles that he did.

It never grew, but it was better because it never grew.
I do not recall hearing ECW chants during the Attitude Era. I remember hearing it alot in 95 and 96 whenever they were in Philly. Once the WWE picked up with it's new, edgier, business model, those chants died down alot.

I think ECW died because of Paul Heyman. He was pretty much it's biggest strength and weakness. I remember when watching the Rise and Fall of ECW when both Mcmahon and Bischoff said that in order to become mainstream you are going to have to sell yourself out to a certain extent, and Paul unlike those two, refused to do it. When Paul got his deal with TNN, he decided to still act like the "cool", underground, little engine that could promotion. Problem is, you are now working with a national television channel, you have to work with them and give them what they want, they know their audience. Paul should have tried to find a balance because a rising network like TNN was pissed that they ended up working with a niche product and not a mainstream one. Paul acting like a pissed of teenager and shitting on the network during his shows didn't help either. He was mad that TNN was getting ready to move on to Vince (you know, the man who helped Paul financially for YEARS, man gave Paul a big ass loan to keep ECW afloat in it's dying days).

Another problem was the fact that ECW built itself up as the "hardcore" promotion. They now was pigeon holed into being that kind of promotion or their niche audience would have turned on them. They needed those fans until they at least found a new audience, but they couldn't afford to make a long term move like that. Plus, Jim Cornette brought up the fact that ECW couldn't top itself anymore. Like the Attitude Era, ECW was nothing more than a fad because it was a "can you top this" era of wrestling. It got so bad to the point that everything fell flat after a few years. Vince had to take a step backwards after Attitude because of the same thing. I remember one of the shareholders asking Vince why he moved backwards to his 80's product after the Attitude Era. Vince being the smart man that he is said that sometimes you have to move backward in order to move forward. He said that he pushed the envelope so much during Attitude that there was nowhere else to go.
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