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post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 06-26-2013, 12:17 AM
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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

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To give you an idea of how over Scott was, he was in line to win the WCW championship in 1991. I know that some people have said that Scott must be delusional with that statement, but they clearly weren't watching his matches back then, and are just going by the fact that he was "just" a tag team wrestler. The crowds were going absolutely nuts for him in virtually every match I've seen -- he was so over. Plus, he was exciting, and capable of putting on huge, showstopping matches, so it's easy to see why he'd be thought of in that position.

Anyway, Kevin Sullivan confirmed this in one of his shoots, as did another wrestler (can't remember who now....I'll have to go back and find out what shoots I've watched).

This is probably why Scott ended up doing that promo shoot on Flair, because he's been harboring resentment over this for years. Scott claimed that Ric sabotaged their match & talked shit about him behind the scenes, to try to stop his rise to the top (Ric didn't want to be replaced at this point, Scott says). Lance Storm, who doesn't seem to have a dog in this fight, and actually likes Flair and defended him on some other points, said that it was clear to him, looking at the match through the eyes of a worker, that Ric was sabotaging Steiner.

Funnily enough, Bret had the same exact complaints about Ric...and people took it as Bret just being Bret, or him just being bitter...but it's funny that two people who were in the same position of being rising stars, about to knock off Ric, have the same exact complaint about him. Not to say that Ric is always like that, because he's not. But I do think it lends credence to them both being truthful, because they both have the same exact, weird, complaint, and it's not like Bret is just being bitter due to not being the champion, because he won the championship anyway.

Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked, but I'm saying all of this to say, that that was the type of level Scott was on back in the 90s.

Imagine what could have been, if he went solo back then...
The general consensus has always been that Ric dogged it in his Clash match with Steiner.

But I thought the reason Scott Steiner didn't get a WCW title run in 1991 was because he turned it down/didn't want it. He wanted to keep teaming with Rick out of loyalty to his brother because he figured that Rick would flounder without Scott to carry him. That's been the story for as long as I've been on the 'net anyway.
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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

As others have said, in his steiner brothers days he was one of the most impressive technical wrestlers of his day. He was way ahead of his time, and brought amazing moves to the table only seen in japan at the time. The steiner suplex piledriver thing defies belief, as did some of his crazy frankensteiners.

One PPV I'm watching at the moment is Summerslam 93, and the Steiners vs Heavenly Bodies is one of the most entertaining tag matches you'll see.

On the downside ofcourse is the rapid deterioration of his ring product once he became the big booty daddy. I loved his character, but for the most part his matches stunk.

A wide range of suplexes, butterfly powerbombs, tilt a whirl slams and frankensteiners displayed by Scotty Steiner became belly to bellies, a kick to the nuts and a camel clutch as Poppa Pump.

It's ironic that he became a real star because of his huge personality 180 while his ring work went down the toilet.
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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

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The general consensus has always been that Ric dogged it in his Clash match with Steiner.

But I thought the reason Scott Steiner didn't get a WCW title run in 1991 was because he turned it down/didn't want it. He wanted to keep teaming with Rick out of loyalty to his brother because he figured that Rick would flounder without Scott to carry him. That's been the story for as long as I've been on the 'net anyway.
Ah, ok, wasn't sure if it was a widely accepted notion or not.

Scott said that in their next match, he started legitimately beating the shit out of Ric with a chair because of it. LOL, it's terribly unprofessional, but it makes me laugh, because it's such a Scott way of handling things.

Yeah, that's what he says, and it's probably true, but I guess it still doesn't stop him from being pissed off that Ric would try to do what he did. Especially, since if the stories are to be believed, Nash & Hall were feeding Scott with negative information on Ric supposedly trying to stop other rising talent, at the time Scott went off on that Flair shoot promo.

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As others have said, in his steiner brothers days he was one of the most impressive technical wrestlers of his day. He was way ahead of his time, and brought amazing moves to the table only seen in japan at the time. The steiner suplex piledriver thing defies belief, as did some of his crazy frankensteiners.
He actually says that he invented the Frankensteiner, and got pissed at an interviewer who referred to it as the "Hurricanrana." Though I don't know if him getting pissed was in character or not. Probably a mixture of both. But he has maintained several times that he's the one who invented the Frankensteiner.

A lot of people say that he works a Japanese style, but unless he's lying, he actually invented a lot of the stuff that he did, not just brought it to the US.

What was most impressive to me, is what I said in one of the posts of mine that I quoted. I can watch a Steiners match and see something new from Scott, that he hasn't done in any other match. He seemed to like freestyling, and was constantly coming up with new stuff.

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One PPV I'm watching at the moment is Summerslam 93, and the Steiners vs Heavenly Bodies is one of the most entertaining tag matches you'll see.
That was rated match of the year in one of the wrestling magazines. I am excited to watch that one, because that's one I don't remember much.

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It's ironic that he became a real star because of his huge personality 180 while his ring work went down the toilet.
Not really ironic, with the state of today's wrestling. It makes sense, actually. But yeah, it's kind of too bad. I wonder how much he got paid for that last WWE run. He said he got more than he asked for, and in the last few years of WCW, he was getting paid $600,000 a yr.

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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

And of course:




Apparently he's still got some in the tank, because he did this kind of recently:







On and here's what he said in detail, regarding the Flair thing, as well as the stuff about his brother:
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I remember a world title match back in 1991 between you and Flair at a Clash of the Champions. What was it like working a match with him? Did you have a different opinion of him back then?

No. I always knew he was a piece of garbage. Flair never drew when I was in the NWA and WCW. Flair had all of his friends booking him on top and we were not drawing. People can say what they want, but I was there and we did not draw nothing. They may have papered the crowd to make it look good for a Clash or a pay-per-view, but we did not draw. I can say for a fact that Flair at that time did not draw a dime. And they say he was the greatest? If you want an honest opinion, you ask somebody who they would rather be on the card with – Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair. If they don’t say Hulk Hogan, they’re out of their minds. At least you knew when you were on a Hulk Hogan card you were going to get paid. Thank God in WCW we had guaranteed contracts. If we had been paid by the houses that we were drawing, we would have starved.

Here’s the deal with that Clash of the Champions. Things had gotten so bad, and they wanted to put the belt on somebody else. They actually wanted to make me the world champion. I had just beaten Ric Flair in a gauntlet match to set up for the Clash of the Champions. So we’re going over the match backstage, and he was like, “Yeah, I got this, I got that,” and then he went out there and sandbagged. It was one of the worst matches I ever had. And I was wondering, “What was that?” The match I had with him in the gauntlet was 10 times better. So I went in the back and I was disappointed. Then I heard a couple weeks later, he was telling people in the office that I got tired, I wasn’t ready for the spot. And to tell you the truth, I really didn’t want to be the world champion. At the time, I still wanted to team with my brother. About a month later, I was wrestling him in Philadelphia, and I gave him nothing. He tried to hit me with a chair, and I grabbed the chair and hit him with it. I just beat the crap out of him. I came back after our match and waited for him right at the door, waiting for him to say something. If he would have said something I would have clocked him one, but he didn’t say nothing. He put his head down and walked back to his dressing room. He’s a punk, man.

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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

I don't think Steiner was ever really going to be world champion in '91 and his interview above suggests that he was all about being in the Steiner Brothers, which makes sense, as they were almost too good at what they did at the time. Scott was also pretty green at the time, not in the ring, but politically green in the business and there were others in front of him in line for the world title.

WCW was in flux around that time in regards to who they wanted as world champion, though, and they eventually landed on Luger. I think I remember Flair saying in an interview, probably the WWE DVD, that he was expecting to drop the title to Windham on the way out, but they wanted Luger.


As far as Scott Steiner goes, the Steiner Brothers are one of my all-time favorite tag teams. WCW didn't have a lot going on over the WWF, but they did have a very strong tag division with the Steiners as the centerpiece, and they complimented Sting as top faces in the company. They should have done better than they did in the WWF and their decisions to put the Steiners over Money Inc. at house shows and hot potato the tag titles was always baffling to me. Considering the state of their tag division, they should have gotten the titles at King of the Ring '93 on TV.

When they returned to WCW, they were still very good and part of a dynamic tag division until Scott's injury and turn, this is where I kinda stop being a Scott Steiner fan. Scott Steiner always deserved better, but I always found Rick Steiner the more charismatic of the two. Despite that Scott actually wound up surpassing him, which always impressed me, but his ring work really wound up suffering and I just found him not as fun to watch as a lot of the others WCW had to offer at the time.

That said, when Scott Steiner was totally unleashed on the mic, he was really entertaining.

I don't know if he should have made it as far as he did with his world title run in 2000, but I did find his match with Booker T on the last Nitro to be pretty satisfying. Overall, his reign was really where I tune out of WCW completely, though.

But, again, I did find his WWE run to be complete garbage. His feud with HHH was crap and wasted everybody's time. I don't remember anything else he did there. He's done well for himself in TNA and I think he's been handled about right there.


Overall, Steiner attained much more success than I ever thought he would have, but it was at the expense of someone I enjoyed watching in the ring and a good babyface character. His heel character was undeniably great, but was a little overpushed, in my opinion.


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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

Here's Lance Storm talking about Scott's second WWE run, and what he thinks some of the reasoning behind the failure is.

This is also where he speaks on the Ric Flair thing.

Click the spoiler tag to view it. Putting it below the spoiler tag, to not slow down the thread with videos:

Spoiler for spoiler:
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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

I always wondered how he was allowed, or even allowed himself, to get so big.

At one point, as many have said here, he was a great wrestler and a literal suplex machine. He had it all, and even with a generic-wrestler look he got over massively.

Then you look at his as Big Poppa Pump and you have to wonder how he was allowed to get SO big without expecting criticism and rumours of steroids. It's like he thought "Fuck it, I've get literally as big as possible as quickly as possible and that's it."

He has always been entertaining though, and by God he was entertaining on Twitter.
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Re: The Other Side: Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner

Scott Steiner was one of the best wrestlers in the early 90's, and Big Poppa Pump is a great pay of respect to Billy Graham, and is one of the more memorable characters in wrestling history.
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Him just being himself in real-life (via his tweets) is far more entertaining than anything I've seen in wrestling in a long time.
This! He should be the manager of Mason Ryan, Ryback and Leo Kruger!
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On a side-note, he often stays somewhat in character throughout most of his outside interviews, but it was so charming how bashful and kind of shy, he came across in this interview. It's one of the few interviews I've seen of his, where he was completely out of character:

Of course he is a nice smart guy. He came from an highly educated university.

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A bit off topic but I played WW'13 recently, I interfered in a match between Kofi and HHH and accidently hit Trips with my finisher instead of Kofi. I went from the Raw roster to wrestling Brodus on Superstars. Gotta admit the game is pretty accurate...bastard buried me on my own game.
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