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Old 05-30-2013, 02:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
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They would never have done HBK vs Warrior. They wanted Shawn Michaels to be the face of the company, and didn't want to put him in situations where he may have been booed. When bringing in Warrior, they hoped people would get behind him, so there's no way they would have been prepared to have HBK booed at the benefit of Warrior. They brought in Ultimate Warrior because they were lacking names and feared WCW beating them in the ratings, I don't think they had any real grand plans for him.
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Where was that? I have the Warrior DVD but never recall remembering this, despite having seen it several times
If I recall correctly it must be the chapter about his 1996 run during McMahons rant about Warrior missing dates.
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They would never have done HBK vs Warrior. They wanted Shawn Michaels to be the face of the company, and didn't want to put him in situations where he may have been booed. When bringing in Warrior, they hoped people would get behind him, so there's no way they would have been prepared to have HBK booed at the benefit of Warrior. They brought in Ultimate Warrior because they were lacking names and feared WCW beating them in the ratings, I don't think they had any real grand plans for him.
Yeah I think it was just about replacing Hall and Nash. I saw his return being utilized as UT being used as a main attraction during Bret's title reign in 94, but HBK being the champion.

I also believe it really was going to be Bret/HBK at WM 13 in a title rematch. I agree with those who say Warrior doesn't fit in the title scene. Not to say if things were different it might not happen as things just got worse as the year went on in terms ratings.

November/December 96 were rock bottom and I could see Warrior being shoehorned into champion as Hogan/Piper were really hot for Starrcade.

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Yeah I think it was just about replacing Hall and Nash. I saw his return being utilized as UT being used as a main attraction during Bret's title reign in 94, but HBK being the champion.

November/December 96 were rock bottom and I could see Warrior being shoehorned into champion as Hogan/Piper were really hot for Starrcade.

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True, as Warrior didn't sign until right around the time Scott Hall gave notice.

I honestly can't see Vince eager to put the title on a guy, who fucked him over twice, unless it was a do or die situation. So in a sense, whatever he thought he could get from Warrior, he didn't get. And I can't help but feel that Warrior wasn't completely at fault for getting fired from WWE for the third time.

As a matter of fact, Warrior "reportedly" turned down a $500,000 a year, guaranteed contract with WCW (which led to them creating The Renegade). Based on that, I could see Vince offering Warrior a pretty considerable amount of money for less dates and a run with the title. And maybe the latter part of that supposed agreement didn't take place when it was supposed to, leading to Warrior pretty much saying "fuck it".

Who knows, considering the 2 parties involved, but the thing I hate is how WWE puts a spin on it, as if they had something big in store for Warrior. The funny thing is, if they address another matter from the same timeframe, they will more than likely contradict what the "supposed" plan for Warrior was. The way I see it, they had no plans for Warrior other than to have him on standby in case HBK fucked up and while Bret was gone. And Vince saw what WCW was doing with Hogan & Savage and thought "maybe I'll bring back my 1 creation that WCW CAN'T sign, the Warrior" and likely in Vince's mind, that was a victory in itself, a way of saying "hey Ted, look what I got".

It just seems that Vince was so caught up on "the boy toy" and what WCW was doing, that he didn't even know what he wanted to do, outside of push HBK to the moon. And don't see him halting or ending that push prematurely at the expense of a guy like Warrior, who's track record prior to 1996 basically said it would not be a good idea to put him above your main, full time attraction, who as a headliner, got you sell outs in buildings that Warrior didn't even sell out as a headliner.
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Based on that, I could see Vince offering Warrior a pretty considerable amount of money for less dates and a run with the title. And maybe the latter part of that supposed agreement didn't take place when it was supposed to, leading to Warrior pretty much saying "fuck it".
Going off of memory, here's a rundown of the contract issues, according to Warrior:

When WWE approached him in early 1996, he initially said no, because he wasn't gonna sign a typical WWE contract. At that point he had opened a school, started a comic book, and other things. He didn't want the typical time commitment, and if he were going to return to wrestling, he wanted it to be a cross promotional thing. He wanted them to promote his products, and he also wanted a cut of his merchandise sales, because he knew that the sales were big.

The WWE sent Linda down to Warrior's home, and he negotiated the contract with her. He said that this is why he agreed to work with the WWE, because he felt more comfortable with Linda. He said she treated him like a son, and even would sign cards sent to him "love, Mom." He said if he had to deal with Vince again, he wouldn't have done it, but he felt Linda was more trustworthy.

He said his loyalty is why he didn't let WCW even get beyond one phone call with him. By the time they could have had more phone calls (and Bischoff did call him), he'd already signed with the WWE again.

It sounds like at this point he felt comfortable with Linda.

The contract was a contract that was geared toward him, and not a typical contract at all.

They were trying to keep him from coming to a certain WWE convention, and a red flag in his gut went up about it. He said they kept saying "nah, you don't need to come." He said it didn't feel right, especially because they weren't honoring his contract in other ways (I think by not promoting his comic book, like they promised). So he shows up at the convention, and sure enough, the WWE was selling his products, which he wouldn't have gotten a cut of, even though he & Linda agreed that he would get a cut of all of his merchandising.

He said he immediately called Linda, and for the first time, she wouldn't pick up, and wouldn't return his phone calls. Finally she called him the next day, and said "I didn't know."

Therefore, he walked out and said that his contract wasn't honored on their end, so he wasn't going to honor it on his end. He said the contract had a clause that made it suspendable, if the terms weren't being met.

Vince called him and said "I had nothing to do with that contract." Warrior said "well, your wife did." And Vince repeated again that he had nothing to do with it. Warrior said that he didn't like being lied to, and then Vince said "people lie to me all of the time."

So not only was Warrior upset about them reneging on their agreements, he was annoyed by Vince's flippant attitude toward it all.

Warrior sued them for breach of contract, and full rights to the Warrior name and image, and eventually won that lawsuit.


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Very informative.

Now I know Warrior was a fuck up but I believe him 100% in this matter.

Which only confirms them claiming they "planned to give Warrior the belt" as a way of blaming him and labeling him as wrong in the situation.

Really sucks because WWE has altered people's opinions of Warrior regarding his 3 departures.

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If Warrior's shitty attitude over the years was true, then it would be dumb for Vince to trust him with the belt. Either way, I would have loved to see it. HBK/Warrior would have been a great match. Not to mention if he fought Austin, Vader, Bret and Mankind in title matches as well.
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Very informative.

Now I know Warrior was a fuck up but I believe him 100% in this matter.

Which only confirms them claiming they "planned to give Warrior the belt" as a way of blaming him and labeling him as wrong in the situation.

Really sucks because WWE has altered people's opinions of Warrior regarding his 3 departures.

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Same here, Warrior may be a nutjob, but WWE are not so innocent as they claim they are. I do believe Warrior's story as well. But we also have to consider another factor: Warriors dad passing, sure McMahon claim Warrior never had so much contact with his father insuniating that he should not have missed the WWF shows when Warrior attended the funeral.
To me deos not matter, it was his father, and Warrior could afford to live without WWF since he was already financialy set, WWE needed him more than he needed them. So he took off to his fathers funeral. I would do the same every day of the week if I was in Warriros shoes

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If Warrior's shitty attitude over the years was true, then it would be dumb for Vince to trust him with the belt. Either way, I would have loved to see it. HBK/Warrior would have been a great match. Not to mention if he fought Austin, Vader, Bret and Mankind in title matches as well.
Yeah but the problme is that you mention ony heels except Bret. Bret was there to pass the belt like Hogan did to Warrior six years earlier. VAder, Mankind and Austin were all heels to make HBK look credible as a top tier.

But I believe that a match between HBK and Warrior could have been awesome, since HBK most likely could have given Warrior his best match ever besides the WM 6 and WM 7 matches.

Furhtermore, I think Warrior in 1996, had such an edge to his character, like a pre attitude era gimmick. Just look at his promos, he talks no nonsense, kicking Goldusts ASS all over there building and using other more edgy words.
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Same here, Warrior may be a nutjob, but WWE are not so innocent as they claim they are. I do believe Warrior's story as well. But we also have to consider another factor: Warriors dad passing, sure McMahon claim Warrior never had so much contact with his father insuniating that he should not have missed the WWF shows when Warrior attended the funeral.
To me deos not matter, it was his father, and Warrior could afford to live without WWF since he was already financialy set, WWE needed him more than he needed them. So he took off to his fathers funeral. I would do the same every day of the week if I was in Warriros shoes
Hell yeah.

You're right, he didn't need WWE and I'm inclined to believe that they reached out to him. Like Meltzer said, Vince was trying to bring in some big names for the Rumble '96 and Warrior was one of those names. Honestly, I don't believe Warrior ever needed WWE again after 1991.

Typical WWE. No story they tell will ever be 100% truth because every situation similar usually involves WWE not living up their end of the deal and as a result, the alter the story so they can save face.


And because WWE is such a powerhouse and because Warrior is largely out of the public eye (for several years anyway), that gives them the ability to rewrite history and ignore what really happened, in order to paint Warrior as the fuck up. And with his reputation (prior to 1996), the average person would side with WWE and assume Warrior struck out. But in this situation, I just feel Warrior got fucked over and was basically a pawn. Vince wanted him as the ratings war was picking up. Warrior didn't make a big difference in business, so Vince or Linda no longer live up to their agreement. And Warrior probably just said fuck it because he didn't need them.
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No unless vince was really desperate and hbk's title rating wasn't grabbing ratings. I mean warrior walked out on vince before so i don't think he really trusted him, the only reason he was brought in was because the fans missed, not because vince really wanted him in the wwf.
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