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Starrcade 1997

I hadnít seen anything posted about this for a while so I present this for discussion. Iím not sure if this is classic or General WWE since itís kind of on the borderline of the Attitude Era. I guess itís subjective at that point.

I used to watch Raw/Nitro in the late nineties as if it were my religion. My favorite storyline, as I am sure is the favorite storyline of many people, was the NWO hostile takeover. The beginning of this storyline was brilliant with Hall/Nash coming over from WWF and Hogan joining them at Bash at the Beach. The ensuing 1.5 years was a work of art, as far as the hostile takeover and NWO dominance. Factor in Sting lurking in the rafters terrorizing the NWO any chance he got, and you have a truly special angle.

I donít think I am alone in this sentiment, but Starrcade 1997 with Hogan vs. Sting left a lot to be desired, especially with Sting having to VACATE the title afterwards. This could have and should have been as big as Austin/Rock, but I feel like they ruined itÖand this was when WCWís booking wasn't half bad.

Additionally, I feel like the NWO should have begun to permanently dissolve as evidenced by how stale, repetitive and volatile the faction(s) became in later years. Even though I was watching every week diligently, there were times I couldnít tell who was supposed to be a good guy and who was supposed to be a bad guy. Itís like they swerved every other week.

These sentiments are thrown around quite often, but no (fantasy) solutions have ever really been offered. My questions to you are:

1. How would you have ended Starrcade 97 differently (if at all)?
2. How would you have continued WCW storylines after Starrcade 97? Would you have dissolved the NWO or done something differently?

Personally, I would have given Sting the clean win that EVERYONE wanted to see at Starrcade 97 and begun to permanently dissolve the NWO post-Starrcade 97. They could have had so many more options with subsequent matches. What do you think?
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Re: Starrcade 1997

We had a similar thread not too long ago but that's fine. Starrcade should have ended with Sting beating Hogan clean without any shenanigans. Everyone was waiting for it and the way they gave Sting the belt sucked. After that they should have had nWo members "doubt" Hogan's leadership abilities with Hogan promising he'll get the title back. Next PPV Sting wins again. Hogan either gets ambushed by his nWo colleagues or he leaves on his own for a while, setting up a potential babyface return. It's then time for Nash and Hall to go after the WCW Title, perhaps even a triple threat, stacking the odds against Sting. Sting retains again two PPV's in a row and the nWo finally crumbles. Meanwhile Bret Hart had been helping Sting destroy the nWo too. After the nWo crumbles, Hart goes after the WCW Title etc.

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I hadnít seen anything posted about this for a while so I present this for discussion. Iím not sure if this is classic or General WWE since itís kind of on the borderline of the Attitude Era. I guess itís subjective at that point.
Just so you know, the Classic Wrestling section includes the Attitude Era. I've always thought that "The place to discuss wrestling history up to the Attitude Era" was confusingly worded, and gives the impression that it doesn't include the Attitude Era. It does, though.
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Re: Starrcade 1997

Here's Sting talking about it. I cued it up to start right at the point (22:47 mark):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbL6RNBJfs4#t=022m47s

He's such an easygoing guy, that it's interesting hearing him trying to find the words to express that the whole thing bothered him. He openly states that people had ulterior motives. "There were a lot of closed door meetings..."
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Hogan's creative control segment.

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Either way, it not hurt business at all. In fact, it led to another big payday in the form of Superbrawl VIII. 1998 was their best ever business year, so it was no big deal. Sting never had the charisma to be at the level of Flair, Hogan, Rock and Austin. Starrcade 1998 was a bigger misfire. The streak could have made a new star.
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The transformation of Sting's character is one of the greatest things in wrestling history. It was done absolutely brilliantly. Here's a guy who had been the heart and soul of WCW, beloved by the fans, always seen coming out with a big smile on his face, with his colorful face paint and tights...

And then, he feels absolutely betrayed by WCW. It starts gradually. The hair got longer and darker. The facepaint and tights were no longer bright colors. Sting going silent and away from everyone was just so amazing. We see him standing in the rafters, looking down on the NWO. The in ring segments where he begins to terrorize the group. I was never a big WCW fan, but how can you not love this build up?

But then of course, Hogan fucking ruins the whole thing. Yeah, 1998 was still a financial success, but as far as the WWF vs. WCW competition goes, Starrcade was the beginning of the end. The NWO should have started to crumble after Starrcade. Hogan loses cleanly, the rest of the NWO feel like they let him down, and it unravels within the next few months. Leave The Outsiders together to try to finish what they started, without the extra baggage of Hogan, but ultimately fail.


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The transformation of Sting's character is one of the greatest things in wrestling history. It was done absolutely brilliantly. Here's a guy who had been the heart and soul of WCW, beloved by the fans, always seen coming out with a big smile on his face, with his colorful face paint and tights...

And then, he feels absolutely betrayed by WCW. It starts gradually. The hair got longer and darker. The facepaint and tights were no longer bright colors. Sting going silent and away from everyone was just so amazing. We see him standing in the rafters, looking down on the NWO. The in ring segments where he begins to terrorize the group. I was never a big WCW fan, but how can you not love this build up?

But then of course, Hogan fucking ruins the whole thing. Yeah, 1998 was still a financial success, but as far as the WWF vs. WCW competition goes, Starrcade was the beginning of the end. The NWO should have started to crumble after Starrcade. Hogan loses cleanly, the rest of the NWO feel like they let him down, and it unravels within the next few months. Leave The Outsiders together to try to finish what they started, without the extra baggage of Hogan, but ultimately fail.
There was a lot more that could have been done in 1998.

A huge misfire was not continuing the Hart Foundation, which had tons of mileage left. Here you had a guy who blamed America for everything, coming in after being screwed over by the ultimate posterboy of NYC capitalism, now working for another crooked yankee. Jericho and Benoit could have joined the group.

Instead Bret turns everyday heel, working for the assholes. Did not make sense.
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Re: Starrcade 1997

The ending of Starrcade '97 was the beginning of the end of WCW, IMO. You have to give the fans what they want that night. Hogan had gotten the better of WCW for almost 2 full years leading into this match, and they have some screwy ridiculous ending like that? Just terrible.


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There was a lot more that could have been done in 1998.

A huge misfire was not continuing the Hart Foundation, which had tons of mileage left. Here you had a guy who blamed America for everything, coming in after being screwed over by the ultimate posterboy of NYC capitalism, now working for another crooked yankee. Jericho and Benoit could have joined the group.

Instead Bret turns everyday heel, working for the assholes. Did not make sense.
Exactly! Its so frustrating knowing how seemingly simple it'd be to strike gold with Bret. I like the idea of Jericho and Benoit aligning with him.


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