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The Von Erich's are one of the best known wrestling families of all time.

Fritz, the patriarch of the family made a name for him self wrestling in St Louis eventually moving on to promote Big Time Wrestling in Texas.

David Von Erich, The Yellow Rose of Texas, a big imposing wrestler who meshed a brawling style with great technical wrestling. Was destined to win the World Title from Ric Flair if not for his unfortunate death in Japan.

Kevin Von Erich, a highly successful tag and singles wrestler feuded with the Freebirds and Chris Adams among other during his time in Texas.

Kerry Von Erich. Possibly the best known member of the Von Erich family. Had a short World Title reign in respect to his brother David who passed shortly before his scheduled match with Flair. Kerry had the look and skill that made him hugely popular during the 1980's.

Mike Von Erich. Replaced David in the Von Erichs feud with the Freebirds. Not as good as his older brothers in the ring or as well known due to his very short wrestling career.

Chris Von Erich. The youngest and least talented of the family worked in the USWA for a short period, but his physical condition and size held him back from making it big.

Whats everyones opinion of the Von Erich family in terms of wrestling ability, and the family's success with in the squared circle?
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Good question and great thread. Thank you.

I consider the Von Erich's the greatest wreslting family since the Dusek's.

I empathize with Fritz as a father. He wanted the world for his sons, but for whatever reason he lacked the influence in his own son's lives to really bring the best out of them.

David was the best all around. He had skill and charisma, and would have been a world champ if not for his untimely death. He had "it" and probablty would be mentioned in the GOAT's of the world if not for his death.

Kevin was the best in ring of the lot, but lacked the muscle mass and charisma to be a legit world title contender in that era. He was truly a case of wrong physique at the wrong time. It is a shame that Kevin had the loyalty in his dad to stick with World Class. He could have been something special in another territory or in another era.

Kerry had the world at his doorstep, he had the physique to be something special, but his personal demons and lack of charisma were his downfall. Of all the wrestlers in the world he had a look and pedigee that could have taken him far, but for whatever reason his own shortfalls prevented him from really becoming what Fritz envisioned. I am not a phychologist so I wont even pretend to understand the presssure that Kerry felt but for whatever reason he felt the need to end it all.

Mike and Chris were obviously victims of the famliy legacy. They wanted what they were not able to give. Niether had "the look" that was needed to get them over at the time. It is a shame that they grew up in the steroid era, because Mike had the talent, and Chris had the charisma but neither felt like they had the total package the world wanted.

I can't help but think if they had grown up ten years later they would still be with us.

Truly a sad tale, but regardless of how things turned out, they were still the greatest family of the modern era.

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Good question and great thread. Thank you.

I consider the Von Erich's the greatest wreslting faily since the Dusek's.

I empathize with Fritz as a father. He wanted the world for his sons, but for whatever reason he lacked the influence in his own son's lives to really bring the best out of them.

David was the best all around. He had skill and charisma, and would have been a world champ if not for his untimely death.

Kevin was the best in ring of the lot, but lacked the muscle mass and charisma to be a legit world title contender in that era. He was truly a case of wrong physique at the wrong time. It is a shame that Kevin had the loyalty in him to stick with World Class. He could have been something special in another territory or in another era.

Kerry had the world at his doorstep, he had the physique to be something special, but his personal demons and lack of charisma were his downfall. Of all the wrestlers in the world he had a look and pedigee that could have taken him far, but for whatever reason his own shortfalls prevented him from really becoming what Fritz envisioned. I am not a phychologist so I wont even pretend to understand the presssure that Kerry felt but for whatever reason he felt the need to end it all.

Mike and Chris were obviously victims of the famliy legacy. They wanted what they were not able to give. Niether had "the look" that was needed to get them over at the time. It is a shame that they grew up in the steroid era, because Mike had the talent, and Chris had the charisma but neither felt like they had the total package the world wanted.

I can't help but think if they had grown up ten years later they would still be with us.

Truly a sad tale, but regardless of how things turned out, they were still the greatest family of the modern era.
It is truly a sad tale, especially for Fritz having for him to survive 5 of his children considering that none of them lived to their normal age or potential. It must've killed him to think what did he do wrong.

The brother's death one after another in one or other way pushed the next one to his end. It was either a case of not being able to fill up his shows or missing a brother badly.

The family now to me represent a case of what could have been rather than what had happened. They could have taken WCCW to a different level competing with WCW/WWE right through had they worked to their potential and there were no untimely deaths. They had reputation, image, stars coming from within the family tied by loyalty and all they needed were heels to feud at various points of time against the current star. They also had an good eye for example with Undertaker/Paul Bearer starting out together there or Chris Adams or Freebirds or Midnight express.

A sad, sad tale.
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The Von Erichs are GODS in Israel.

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I think that Kerry actually had tremendous charisma. Warrior, who worked with them, called Kerry by far the most charismatic of the family.

I wrote more here about Kerry:
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Charisma - 8.5
Mic Skills - 6
Ring Skill - 7
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He obviously had a terrific body, looked like a movie star, and I think his look exuded exactly who he was, and what he portrayed - the fresh faced, white meat, baby face. Since I feel his look portrayed that movie star charisma thing, he gets that extra half a point to a 10. That certain something that makes it more than just simply a bodybuilder look (i.e. what I said earlier, about the difference between Sid Justice, and other wrestlers who have that prototypical, bodybuilder, "perfect wrestler" look).

He had tremendous charisma in his early days, as he was one of the main faces of his organization. Again, I think it's partially because of the matinee looks, but I also think that it was because he radiated authenticity, and just really came across as a root-able guy, even if he weren't pushed as such. He got over hugely when he came to the WWE, even though he wasn't really a boisterous personality.

As for ring skills, he was better before his injury, but what I like is that he sold better than most big guys did. He seemed to understand storytelling, and really played to the crowd with his "fighting to overcome" moments, and his stopping to be in awe of what a guy was doing to him moments. Check his match with Lawler, that the WWE put up on Youtube, or the NWA title match with Flair.

He also had some nice amatuer wrestling moves, until he started relying more on power in his later career.

He was so over, pretty quickly when he got to the WWF, so that speaks to charisma. He's one who seemed kind of quiet, and I think people tend to tie charisma with a more boisterous personality. That's a mistake, IMO.


Here's an interview with Kerry from 1992, which is rare. He speaks candidly about his drug problems:
http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling3/...ryarticle.html


Apparently the drug issues were causing him to miss some shows. Sad. Wonder how far he could have gone if it weren't for that. He was so damn hot at the time, and Vince was pushing him.
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I understand being loyal to your father but limiting themselves to Texas/WCCW and the occasional foreign tour really held them back from rising.

Now, I haven't watched them extensively outside of Kerry but from shoots/interviews/articles I've read, David was the true star of the family and had the potential to make it big. Sad part is, never got the chance.

Kerry had tons of charisma but I personally think he was about 5-7 years too late in WWE. By then, the drug issues and harsh reality that he lost 2 brothers within 3 years and would later lose another in 1991, about a year after Kerry came to WWE, too much pressure.


But yeah, the big reason I feel they should have left Fritz if the opportunity presented itself was the slight possible an outsider could have recognized the substance issues and helped out. Fritz thought the world of his sons and would look the other way, despite the various signs that his kids were living life too damn fast with no authority. But considering some of the shit he did over the years, Fritz probably didn't care.


And oddly enough, I can't remember exactly who said it but it seemed to have been a surprise that Kevin is the only 1 alive, seeing as how he had bigger problems than the other 4. In the end, this is the perfect "what if" scenario.



Not sure if you guys remember but a few months back, I made a thread in this section in regards to Vince being high on the Von Erichs and covering them in his magazine and what could possibly have been different if he gathered them for his national expansion. I mention Vince Sr. being upset with Hogan and what role Jimmy Snuka could have played if he didn't "allegedly" kill his girlfriend.



http://www.wrestlingforum.com/classi...-happened.html


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It is truly a sad tale, especially for Fritz having for him to survive 5 of his children considering that none of them lived to their normal age or potential. It must've killed him to think what did he do wrong.

The brother's death one after another in one or other way pushed the next one to his end. It was either a case of not being able to fill up his shows or missing a brother badly.

The family now to me represent a case of what could have been rather than what had happened. They could have taken WCCW to a different level competing with WCW/WWE right through had they worked to their potential and there were no untimely deaths. They had reputation, image, stars coming from within the family tied by loyalty and all they needed were heels to feud at various points of time against the current star. They also had an good eye for example with Undertaker/Paul Bearer starting out together there or Chris Adams or Freebirds or Midnight express.

A sad, sad tale.
ideal stranger I am pretty sure Freebirds started for Gulas in Tennessee, Undertaker for Jarrett in Memphis, Bearer was a Florida guy I think first (that maybe wrong), The Midnight were certainly Memphis originally. Many people forget the Midnights started as a trio of Rose, Condrey and Norvelle Austin.

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Ya the Freebirds started in Tennessee but shortly moved to GCW.. About Bearer, from what ive researched he started out in southeastern territories so it could have very well been Florida
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I understand being loyal to your father but limiting themselves to Texas/WCCW and the occasional foreign tour really held them back from rising.

Now, I haven't watched them extensively outside of Kerry but from shoots/interviews/articles I've read, David was the true star of the family and had the potential to make it big. Sad part is, never got the chance.

Kerry had tons of charisma but I personally think he was about 5-7 years too late in WWE. By then, the drug issues and harsh reality that he lost 2 brothers within 3 years and would later lose another in 1991, about a year after Kerry came to WWE, too much pressure.


But yeah, the big reason I feel they should have left Fritz if the opportunity presented itself was the slight possible an outsider could have recognized the substance issues and helped out. Fritz thought the world of his sons and would look the other way, despite the various signs that his kids were living life too damn fast with no authority. But considering some of the shit he did over the years, Fritz probably didn't care.


And oddly enough, I can't remember exactly who said it but it seemed to have been a surprise that Kevin is the only 1 alive, seeing as how he had bigger problems than the other 4. In the end, this is the perfect "what if" scenario.



Not sure if you guys remember but a few months back, I made a thread in this section in regards to Vince being high on the Von Erichs and covering them in his magazine and what could possibly have been different if he gathered them for his national expansion. I mention Vince Sr. being upset with Hogan and what role Jimmy Snuka could have played if he didn't "allegedly" kill his girlfriend.



http://www.wrestlingforum.com/classi...-happened.html


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Good thread, thanks for linking it. I think you were right with your posts. I remember Vince was high on the brothers. His father used them on occasion.

I do think Slaughter would have gotten the title nod. Slaughter has said many times he was promised the belt until Hogan arrived, and he was easily the top face in WWF from the moment he turned face until Hogan arrived.

People tend to forget World Class had a huge following all over the world thanks to their syndication. I have always wondered what would have happened if they had tried to go national in late 82 or 83.

What shocked me the most about the thread were some of the responses.

In 1983 the most popular wrestlers in the States were...Hogan, Snuka, Andre, JYD, David Von Erich, The Road Warriors, Jerry Lawler, and Dusty Rhodes in no particular order.
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I think that Kerry actually had tremendous charisma. Warrior, who worked with them, called Kerry by far the most charismatic of the family.

I wrote more here about Kerry:



He was so over, pretty quickly when he got to the WWF, so that speaks to charisma. He's one who seemed kind of quiet, and I think people tend to tie charisma with a more boisterous personality. That's a mistake, IMO.


Here's an interview with Kerry from 1992, which is rare. He speaks candidly about his drug problems:
http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling3/...ryarticle.html


Apparently the drug issues were causing him to miss some shows. Sad. Wonder how far he could have gone if it weren't for that. He was so damn hot at the time, and Vince was pushing him.
As far as Kerry's charisma I guess it is a matter of taste. He certianly had more than Kevin or Mike, and in the ring he could move the crowd you are right. So as far as that goes I will say maybe I overstated it, and I admit that I never liked Kerry which may cloud my judgement. He did have some charisma. I just don't think he had the charisma to move into an elite class, but that's just my opinion and I certainly am in the minority it seems. I guess I am a hard critic on charisma since I cut my teeth on a territory less about work rate and more about mic skills and talking people into the building.

I guess I just never liked his mic style. Even before the drug use clouded him, he just did not seem fluid or well spoken to me. Once again I am a hard critic on this point as a guy who values that skill set highly. I am willing to admit I maybewrong due to my tendancy to dislike the type of face that Kerry was.
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