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Wait, you say being on TV and PPV matches isn't a burial but you call Vader's last year a burial? And to somewhat justify your Vader mention, you talk about matches he lost?

I mean, if you admit it was Vader's fault for not losing weight, how is that anything but a self caused burial? Oh, he should continue to be pushed, despite not wanting to be in shape. On top of that, it wasn't like he was in the midst of a big push. Vader was last relevant to WWE angles in the summer of 1997 and that was debatable because he was a substitute in a title match for Ahmed Johnson. Vader's downward spiral began in 1996, if anything. But based on what people who worked there at that time have said, I don't see any time frame after November 1996 where Vader would have been given more than he got, because he was supposed to win the belt at Survivor Series '96, dropped it 2 months later at the Rumble and assuming all other plans came to fruition, wasn't really wrote in for anything much more. And that probably led to him not giving a fuck but I still don't see that as a burial, considering he put it on himself and considering your opinion on it that his final year saw him be buried, he was headed down that road since late 1996. But, what admitted super push did that "burial" strip away from him?


I shouldn't have to explain HHH's situation, the pushed he missed out on and everything that became of it. Because HHH lost what seemed like a cemented opportunity. Vader didn't have that, especially in his final year, considering the closest he was placed in a top tier angle was early 1997 and was overshadowed by Austin/Bret and rightfully so.
I don't see how being put on tv can be seen as a burial along wit getting a tittle with in that year if what he did was so bad why would they even feature him on tv. And I used Vader as an example cause much like hhh he was on tv but around 98 he was losing to Kane dominantly


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Yes, he was buried for a while. Everyone says that the 1996 King Of The Ring was his to lose. You have to wonder how much quicker Trips would have gotten into the main event scene had he been KOTR in 1996, also if he's a main eventer by 1997, do we get DX?

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Re: Can WWE & HHH stop making it seem he was demoted to jobber after Hall and Nash le

The Ultimate Warrior made him look like a bum 2 months BEFORE the curtain call incident.

Losing to Sid, Roberts, Mero and Windham was not that bad by comparison. Most of the jobs were not clean defeats.
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I've heard more than once that Austin's megapush was supposed to be HHH's. He was clearly demoted and punished for his part in the MSG incident.
Austin's didn't get a megapush though. By Summerslam 96 he was still doing the free-for all with Yokozuna. The reason Austin took off was because his brash attitude mixed perfectly well with a returning Bret Hart. Coupled with the fact that Hart pushed really hard to work with him, it was just immaculate timing for Austin.

Could you picture HBK vs Hunter Heart Helmsley headlining Summerslam 96? Yeah, that would've really been a must watch.
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The reason Austin took off was because his brash attitude mixed perfectly well with a returning Bret Hart. Coupled with the fact that Hart pushed really hard to work with him, it was just immaculate timing for Austin.
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I don't see how being put on tv can be seen as a burial along wit getting a tittle with in that year if what he did was so bad why would they even feature him on tv. And I used Vader as an example cause much like hhh he was on tv but around 98 he was losing to Kane dominantly


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So let me get this right.


Because he was still used on TV and got a title within 12 months, he wasn't buried? I didn't know there was a certain time one had to go without a title in order to be buried. And if whatever Vader did was so bad, why would they feature him on TV all the way up to his final days with the company?

And what's wrong with Vader losing to Kane dominantly? I could see if he was losing to one of the New NWA guys or an Ahmed Johnson dominantly but he was losing to a guy who was booked as dominant.


Big difference here. Once again, HHH lost out on a potential super push (regardless, he got it but that ain't the point). Vader didn't lose out on anything promised during his WWE run other than a 2 month title reign.


I understand you saying HHH wasn't buried but instead, saying Vader was, makes no sense. Especially when you use the logic that because HHH became IC Champion later that year, as if you're supposed to have a certain amount of time without a belt to be considered buried. Bottom line, HHH missed out on a potential defining moment, Vader didn't.



I'd understand better if you refuted HHH's burial story with a burial of someone who actually was planned for a big push, instead of using a guy many feel deserved a big push, regardless of if he actually did.
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Re: Can WWE & HHH stop making it seem he was demoted to jobber after Hall and Nash le

Well, I always thought this was strange claiming Triple H was buried and had to job for everyone for a year due to the Curtain call.

Because at that time, he won the IC title, which at the time meant something. Sure he got left out from the KOTR, IYH (In July)Summer Slam and Mind Games PPV, but he still had meaningful storylines, not the main event ones, but still had storylines, way better than Aldo Montoya and a bunch of other guys in the lockerroom. He did this thing with Mero, Henry Goodwinn and others, so sure he probalby jobbed to everyone in the first three months both on TV and on the houseshow circutit, but after that he was still involved in storylines and won titles of significance.

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Did you watch Mania 12? I'm not sure it was after they left cause I think hall was on the poster, but either way Hunter looked like a bitch.
Wrestlemania 12 was in March. Hall and Nash left in May.

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Re: Can WWE & HHH stop making it seem he was demoted to jobber after Hall and Nash le

It was not nearly as big a punishment as good ol' Hunter would like to have everyone believe. It's WWE revisionist history striking again. As others have mentioned, he won the IC title just a few months later. The only real big demotion for him was not winning KOTR 1996. But to hear Triple H tell it, you'd think he was held back for years.

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2. The Rock
3. Undertaker
4. Kane
5. CM Punk
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9. Triple H
10. Mick Foley

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Re: Can WWE & HHH stop making it seem he was demoted to jobber after Hall and Nash le

He kept losing matches for months until he beat Marc Mero. It wasn't that bad of a punishment really since he was still on TV.

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