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Old 05-08-2013, 02:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't see why it matters if some "common fan" can't see him as the great wrestler he is. He's one of the most important wrestlers of all time who paved the way for guys who weren't exactly "huge" from a physical standpoint and could do more than the same 5 moves every night.

vs. Mr. Perfect at Summerslam 1991
vs. Stone Cold at Wrestlemania 13
vs. Roddy Piper at Wrestlemania 8
vs. Mr. Perfect at King of the Ring 1993
vs. Owen Hart at Wrestlemania X
vs. Owen Hart Cage Match at Summerslam 1994
vs. Davey Boy Smith at Summerslam 1992
vs. Stone Cold at Survivor Series 1996


He even got good to great matches out of:

Diesel
Razor Ramon
Yokozuna
Jean-Pierre Lafitte
Jerry Lawler
Jeff Jarrett
Sycho Sid
The Patriot etc.

And of course his matches with Shawn Michaels (just about all of them), Vader, Hakushi, 123 Kid and a few others with Owen and Steve Austin.

That's not even counting all of the great matches of the Hart Foundation.
Those "Good matches" don't mean they're historical.

They aren't such big matches compared to Shawn big matches.

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Where did you get the idea that Shawn is as popular as Steve Austin, Hogan, and The Rock? Much like Bret, Shawn is a huge fan-favorite when it comes to die hard fans more so than the "common fan". Shawn never really was the face of the company during a time where they were doing great business or anything. He was on top in 1996, a year where they weren't exactly doing so great from a lucrative standpoint, to my knowledge.

Being the most pushed guy or biggest draw or whatever hardly makes you the most talented. I mean, John Cena isn't better than Chris Jericho just because hes been on top of the company for nearly a decade while Jericho was mostly an emergency main eventer.
Shawn is not big as Austin.

I talked about Shawn being able to make historical matches like Austin.
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Where did you get the idea that Shawn is as popular as Steve Austin, Hogan, and The Rock? Much like Bret, Shawn is a huge fan-favorite when it comes to die hard fans more so than the "common fan". Shawn never really was the face of the company during a time where they were doing great business or anything. He was on top in 1996, a year where they weren't exactly doing so great from a lucrative standpoint, to my knowledge.

Being the most pushed guy or biggest draw or whatever hardly makes you the most talented. I mean, John Cena isn't better than Chris Jericho just because hes been on top of the company for nearly a decade while Jericho was mostly an emergency main eventer.
Actually it does.

Getting people to be invested in your character and matches etc. is what pro wrestling all about.
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I've been watching since 1987 & for me Bret is the best pro wrestler i've ever seen. His diversity & the ability in delievering different mayches & stories with anyone he wrestled was amazing. He can slow down the pace as the systematic technician and works on Undertaker back or destroys Diesel's leg. He can be the absolute jerk like his match against Savage or the sympathetic baby face against Piper & Perfect!!! He would use his speed & agility against Bam Bam & Yoko & would Brawl with Austin!!!! Hell even he & Dynamite had TNA X division type match with non stop action.

Wow back in the day when i was watching PPV's live i was thinking what Bret would do with green Razor , Diesel , Patriot & the match start & i find myself off my seat & Bret takes me in non stop ride. Sometimes you had vetrans back in the day like Buckland & Lawler facing Bret & you wonder if those can still got it & Bret makes them look like they never lost a step. Heck even when Bret wasn't considered anything in 1986 & 1987 when he faced Steambot & Savages he raised to the occasion & put on great matches with them. My favorites are when Bret randomly faces young new talents like Fatu, 123 Kid, Hakushi & Laffitte & he makes the matches so competitive that it becomes A PPV callibers.

The consistancy of Bret was amazing , you had from 1986 - 1997 putting great matches every time he stepped in the ring. Not to mention his tag team run with Anvil . The Hart Foundation can work well as heels or faces & one of the best tag teams of all time. They were innovators in thier double mannuevers & brought creativity & something unique each time.

In terms of soap operas & storylines Bret was involved in manny unforgettable fueds & stories like his emotional fued with his brother, his ground breaking rivarly that started the attitude era against Audtin, the Epic Canada vs America storyline or his battles with HBK.

Oh man if you missed Bret , you missed a lot !!!!
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Bret Hart's name is synonymous with WWE, every bit as much as Hogan, Rock, Austin, HBK or Taker. Anyone who knows WWE's history knows all about Bret, he is and will always be in the top ten most important Superstars and Vince will be the first to say it. Even after Montreal, he still gave him such credit, such as how anyone could have built their company around a guy like Bret because he knew how to make stars. After all, he carried the company during its worst period more than anyone, was basically the gatekeeper for the company until he made Austin a bigger star and the rest is history.

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Actually it does.

Getting people to be invested in your character and matches etc. is what pro wrestling all about.
I refuse to believe that a guy like Hulk Hogan was the best just because a large portion of fans thought so. Getting the people invested is important, but there have been many guys to do that without getting the monster push of guys like Hogan or Triple H or whoever else. Eddie Guerrero is a great example of someone with charisma, mic skills, and outstanding in the ring but only got one run as the champion in his career.
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I've been watching since 1987 & for me Bret is the best pro wrestler i've ever seen. His diversity & the ability in delievering different mayches & stories with anyone he wrestled was amazing. He can slow down the pace as the systematic technician and works on Undertaker back or destroys Diesel's leg. He can be the absolute jerk like his match against Savage or the sympathetic baby face against Piper & Perfect!!! He would use his speed & agility against Bam Bam & Yoko & would Brawl with Austin!!!! Hell even he & Dynamite had TNA X division type match with non stop action.

Wow back in the day when i was watching PPV's live i was thinking what Bret would do with green Razor , Diesel , Patriot & the match start & i find myself off my seat & Bret takes me in non stop ride. Sometimes you had vetrans back in the day like Buckland & Lawler facing Bret & you wonder if those can still got it & Bret makes them look like they never lost a step. Heck even when Bret wasn't considered anything in 1986 & 1987 when he faced Steambot & Savages he raised to the occasion & put on great matches with them. My favorites are when Bret randomly faces young new talents like Fatu, 123 Kid, Hakushi & Laffitte & he makes the matches so competitive that it becomes A PPV callibers.

The consistancy of Bret was amazing , you had from 1986 - 1997 putting great matches every time he stepped in the ring. Not to mention his tag team run with Anvil . The Hart Foundation can work well as heels or faces & one of the best tag teams of all time. They were innovators in thier double mannuevers & brought creativity & something unique each time.

In terms of soap operas & storylines Bret was involved in manny unforgettable fueds & stories like his emotional fued with his brother, his ground breaking rivarly that started the attitude era against Audtin, the Epic Canada vs America storyline or his battles with HBK.

Oh man if you missed Bret , you missed a lot !!!!
Couldn't have said it better
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Bret was the true ring master. His skills helped anyone who wrestled him to have their greatest match - British Bulldog, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Owen Hart to name a few. if you were to Rate a Wrestler only on the Wrestler ring performance and not on Mic Skills then Bret Hart would come out on top with all the attributes you need as a Single or Tag Team Wrestler.
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Bret's in-ring skills were so good that they got him over to the point of having a legendary career, despite him not being particularly strong in any other category.
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