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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

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Bret/HBK was planned with Bret going over, Shawn lost his smile and faked a knee injury.
He didn't fake a knee injury. You think a doctor would play along with such a thing and risk to lose his profession?!

The question is, was his knee in such a bad shape that he was unable to wrestle at Mania or did he decide to have knee surgery because he didn't want to lose to Bret.
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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

Screwjob was a work.
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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

Watch their Rivalry DVD - it explains it. HBK still asserts that he was injured, but Bret basically confirms that Shawn didn't want to drop the belt to him. Shawn did a fucking backflip off the turnbuckle @ Mania when he appeared. I think the knee was fine. The guy wrestled Taboo Tuesday 04 against his buddy with a blown out knee. He didn't want to lose to Bret.





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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

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He didn't fake a knee injury. You think a doctor would play along with such a thing and risk to lose his profession?!

The question is, was his knee in such a bad shape that he was unable to wrestle at Mania or did he decide to have knee surgery because he didn't want to lose to Bret.
I think that 'Doctor' was the real life equivalent of this guy.

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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

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Screwjob was a work.
It's an interesting thought to explore. On the surface everyone benefited Shawn got over as a huge heel, DX got over, McMahon got over as a heel, Bret got his big payday. It helped WWE move into the new era, BUT too much effect the long term for it to be a work, IMO.

If it's a work, I'm assuming Bret would still have loyalty to Vince, especially after getting him a big pay day, but all bets are off after a contract expires. Vince would have had to have full trust in Bret. But WCW was too powerful at the time for a man like McMahon (whom I consider a genius) to willingly send his top guy there. Also it made Jim and Bulldog leave too. So now you're losing three guys who were heavy in storyline at the time. I just don't think Vince thought out the repercussions of it. Even if he thought he could bank on DX and Austin I don't see him just handing over Bret and Bulldog without any thing guaranteed in return. I think if it was a work, Owen would've been taken better of. Obviously, I don't expect he planned to kill him, but I think he would've protected his spot a little more. Plus if it was a work why did they sell it so long? Bret sold it until 2010. I don't expect them to just confess, like "yeah, it was all bullshit", but selling it for 13 years would've been a bit much.

It's still an interesting conspiracy theory about a conspiracy.
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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

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He didn't fake a knee injury. You think a doctor would play along with such a thing and risk to lose his profession?!

The question is, was his knee in such a bad shape that he was unable to wrestle at Mania or did he decide to have knee surgery because he didn't want to lose to Bret.
What doctor? All I remember is Shawn in the ring on Raw crying. There was no doctor beside him. And if there was, it would be kayfabe anyway. He lost his smile, nuff said.

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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

Just read HBK's book... again. First he claims that the plan was never to work with Bret at WM 13 when WM 12 took place. But later, in January, he was asked by VKM to work with Bret and lose. Then HBK was forced to "retire" due to the knee injury.
HBK felt very honest about his feelings here, he said he did no want to lose to Bret specifially and drop the belt tom him at WM 13, BUT he would do it if he got asked. and he seems very sincere in his book becasue this was after he found "God" and talk in detail about the Montreal Screwjob, so I don't see the point for him to lie about the knee injury stuff

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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

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What doctor? All I remember is Shawn in the ring on Raw crying. There was no doctor beside him. And if there was, it would be kayfabe anyway. He lost his smile, nuff said.
They showed his doctor talking about Shawns knee injury. I just can't find the video. I saw it back then on the international version of the Raw is War show from Germany on March 3rd 1997.

I think during his "lost my smile" speech, there is also some footage of it.
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Just read HBK's book... again. First he claims that the plan was never to work with Bret at WM 13 when WM 12 took place. But later, in January, he was asked by VKM to work with Bret and lose. Then HBK was forced to "retire" due to the knee injury.
HBK felt very honest about his feelings here, he said he did no want to lose to Bret specifially and drop the belt tom him at WM 13, BUT he would do it if he got asked. and he seems very sincere in his book becasue this was after he found "God" and talk in detail about the Montreal Screwjob, so I don't see the point for him to lie about the knee injury stuff
HBK faked his injury he refused 2 Bret Hart WM13 cause he lost his smile that's reality check in my view if he did injured 4 real there's confirmed he broke his ankle injury but he faked it big difference between real & fake
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Re: Wrestlemania 13, HBK vs Bret Hart. Complete BS?

According to Shawn, he went to a regular doctor who told him his knee is screwed up.

However, after he lost his smile, Shawn went to the WWE doctor who told him he can recover from it.
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