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Old 04-22-2013, 12:27 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Default Re: Do you young fans know that in the 80s..

I actually think kayfabe was still strong until 1999. That was the year that really got out of hand with the suspension of disbelief up and down the card.

There was a reason why the company had to go back to the basics in 2000 because wrestling can't sustain that kind of television for too long without burning itself out with crash tv and shock value.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:37 AM   #12 (permalink)
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i know people that were fans back then.. they said crowds would just flip shit. now if cena beat the undertaker at WM with interference and turned heel.. he could walk out of the building. that sucks.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:38 AM   #13 (permalink)
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80% of wrestling fans thought it was real.. heels almost got killed getting out of the arena sometimes.. heels and faces traveled apart.. they never left their gimmick outside the ring..

then vince came along with wrestling entertainment, like that was a good fucking idea.
Well, as much as I agree with your sentiment 80% is a considerable stretch. I don't think that is even close to accuarate. You did qualify the remark by using the word "fan" but even most of us who were fans for the most part knew it was fake.

There is a difference in wanting to believe and actually really believing. Like many I willingly suspended my disbelief to enjoy the product more back then. I think that is where most people were at. We knew it was fake, but we played our part in the story. We defended it as real even though we knew in our hearts it was not. We simply wanted to believe, it just made it more fun.

As someone who went to the weekly matches and visited many arenas back then I would say at least 50% of the fans knew it was fake, but we willingly played along.

Wrestling in the 50's on national television was just obviously a work. In the 60's and 70's the business strove for kayfabe and actuialy turned the tide a little back to realism. Probably 50-60% of "fans" (non fans usually did not believe in greater numbers) thought it was real in the early 70's. However by the time the 80's hit the number of people who believed it was real was easily down to 40%.

I think you are giving to much credance to those who acted on their emotions. Those fans who sat on the front row and hated on the heels. Some of them were really just playing along, allowing themselves to hate because it was their part in the "play". You also must give credit to the heels. Even fans who knew it was fake were "played" like clockwork by an effective heel. They were insulted enough that they actually acted out.

A more accurate representation of the early 80's era would probably be that 30% tops believed it was real. I don't think it was Vince that took that number below 30% I believe it was just that people could not believe anymore as generations passed. When 20/20 "exposed" the sport in 1982 that number probably plummeted to 20%, and Vince's mid 1980's diminished to under 10%.

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Old 04-22-2013, 02:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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80's was the best.

No fucked up kayfabe there.

No twitter, facebook, and bitching around.

80's was the real shit.
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Old 04-22-2013, 06:05 AM   #15 (permalink)
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My son watches wrestling. It's still real to him, he has no idea it's all a work. I intend to keep it this way for him as long as I can so as not to take the magic away!
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Kayfabe really went to hell when Robocop appeared on WCW, then a zombie, voodoo warrior and guy from the future debuted for McMahon. Well, there weren't many smarks around apart from in the North East either.

I agree there was still an element of believability in the late 1990's - definitely far fewer smart fans then. Look up the Eddie Guerrero promo from Nitro where hs attacks management from holding him down. The fans in Hartford that night did not get it at all.

When Russo could his speach in Denver, about being Vince McMahon's best kept secret, the fans did not seem to understand either.
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undertaker didnt ruin kayfabe

when i was a kid, i still willing to suspend by disbelief for the guy
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And also, there was no internet in the 80s. So there was no place to read about the spoilers, heel/face turns, etc.
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Well, as much as I agree with your sentiment 80% is a considerable stretch. I don't think that is even close to accuarate. You did qualify the remark by using the word "fan" but even most of us who were fans for the most part knew it was fake.

There is a difference in wanting to believe and actually really believing. Like many I willingly suspended my disbelief to enjoy the product more back then. I think that is where most people were at. We knew it was fake, but we played our part in the story. We defended it as real even though we knew in our hearts it was not. We simply wanted to believe, it just made it more fun.

As someone who went to the weekly matches and visited many arenas back then I would say at least 50% of the fans knew it was fake, but we willingly played along.

Wrestling in the 50's on national television was just obviously a work. In the 60's and 70's the business strove for kayfabe and actuialy turned the tide a little back to realism. Probably 50-60% of "fans" (non fans usually did not believe in greater numbers) thought it was real in the early 70's. However by the time the 80's hit the number of people who believed it was real was easily down to 40%.

I think you are giving to much credance to those who acted on their emotions. Those fans who sat on the front row and hated on the heels. Some of them were really just playing along, allowing themselves to hate because it was their part in the "play". You also must give credit to the heels. Even fans who knew it was fake were "played" like clockwork by an effective heel. They were insulted enough that they actually acted out.

A more accurate representation of the early 80's era would probably be that 30% tops believed it was real. I don't think it was Vince that took that number below 30% I believe it was just that people could not believe anymore as generations passed. When 20/20 "exposed" the sport in 1982 that number probably plummeted to 20%, and Vince's mid 1980's diminished to under 10%.
people crying for Hogan.. etc. you cant think its fake.. can you? I realize Hogan was over like Jesus in Christianity.. I remember those 1999-2004 crowds were awesome too. but hilarity and perversion kept that going.. now we're stuck with.. uhhh.. something special?
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