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Old 04-16-2013, 11:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The Other Side: Hulk Hogan's place in history

Disclaimer before we start this thread, this is not about his charisma, drawing or how he fathered two wrestling booms etc.

Where would you place Hulk Hogan in terms of his skill between the bells? This includes ability to work the crowd, mat skills, technical ability, ring psychology and everything that you can think off that happens during the match?

How much credit would you give to him? Would you concur with "he does not know the difference between a wrist lock and wrist watch" or he is good doing what he does best?

Again, please do not bring in drawing and boom into this.
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Where would you place Hulk Hogan?

Hogan was the biggest superstar in modern North American wrestling history because he excelled and was the best at the ability to connect to the crowd and tell a story during his matches. In professional wrestling the ability to connect to the crowd and get them emotionally involved and to care about the character during the match is ironically a million times more important than even mat skills and technical ability.
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Hogan was great wrestler and look at 6:10 an Enzuiguri.

Technical wise he was great, mostly in Japan he had that style, but it's not all about wrestling skills in America.

It's entertainement and characterwise.
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He was ***huge gasp*** a really good wrestler. He wasn't a mat scientist, or a vicious brawler, but he did his thing properly, mentality and psychology were his biggest weapons in the ring. And I'm speaking about both legit and kayfabe.
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I guess it depends on how you define a good worker. Story-telling and psychology he is up there at the top. Crowd manipulation? No one even comes close to Hogan, including The Rock. If your definition of a good worker is technical ability, i.e Dean Malenko, Dynamite Kidd type caliber, he is nowhere near the top.

It's like what the veterans always say, "slow it down", it seems (especially in the indies) that high pace action and spot after spot are what people view as a good match, but that completely irradiates story-telling and psychology in some cases.

A perfect example of difference in judging a match is Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan. I consider it to be a 4 1/2 to 5 star match, some people tend to shit on it. But when you watch the match, Warrior gets a bigger pop winning a test of strength against Hogan in the beginning than Ziggler got winning a title recently. For me the crowd is a huge part of a wrestling match, because ultimately shouldn't the wrestlers be working to the crowd, and that defines a great match. It doesn't matter if you put on a technical clinic or a shitty ten second job match, if the crowd isn't into it, does it really matter?
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He was ***huge gasp*** a really good wrestler. He wasn't a mat scientist, or a vicious brawler, but he did his thing properly, mentality and psychology were his biggest weapons in the ring. And I'm speaking about both legit and kayfabe.
Hogan is one of the best big man wrestlers in history, but of course his critics expect him to be flying around doing moves like Shawn Michaels which is unrealistic for many reasons.
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Default Re: Where would you place Hulk Hogan?

3 words, "Hogan in Japan" very under-rated wrestler. That's not to say he was one of the GOAT's in-ring but he was an accomplished worker, that's for sure.
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I guess it depends on how you define a good worker. Story-telling and psychology he is up there at the top. Crowd manipulation? No one even comes close to Hogan, including The Rock. If your definition of a good worker is technical ability, i.e Dean Malenko, Dynamite Kidd type caliber, he is nowhere near the top.

It's like what the veterans always say, "slow it down", it seems (especially in the indies) that high pace action and spot after spot are what people view as a good match, but that completely irradiates story-telling and psychology in some cases.

A perfect example of difference in judging a match is Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan. I consider it to be a 4 1/2 to 5 star match, some people tend to shit on it. But when you watch the match, Warrior gets a bigger pop winning a test of strength against Hogan in the beginning than Ziggler got winning a title recently. For me the crowd is a huge part of a wrestling match, because ultimately shouldn't the wrestlers be working to the crowd, and that defines a great match. It doesn't matter if you put on a technical clinic or a shitty ten second job match, if the crowd isn't into it, does it really matter?
Good post. Yea from casual observation, i just feel that so many of the people that shit on that match either never experienced it and can sit back easily these days and critique it since they obviously have care for a different generation of wrestling. That match was monumental, and the crowds back then "appreciated" being there and appreciated the show. It was incredible storytelling.

Hogan was one of the best for his style. Like others said, he wasnt a technical genius in the ring, but he was a monster, nobody should expect Hogan to be doing flips off the top rope. He excelled at his big man style of wrestling, was entertaining, gave great promos, was enthusiastic and imho wrestling wouldnt be here if it werent for Hogan, thats my take.

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Default Re: Where would you place Hulk Hogan?

Where would I place Hogan? In a retirement home in Tampa.

But seriously...

ring psychology - Hogan is great at this, he knows what the crowd wants. His infamous hulking out was always well timed and he made the Superman comeback very popular.

mat skills - Next to none. He has never really shown any real mat skill. A star of his type doesn't need it though.

selling - Pretty good in his prime, would no sell sometimes but during the match would really sell well to make his opponent look good, even if he almost always made that huge comeback in the end. It got worse as his career progressed and during much of his WCW career, he was not a great seller.

Overall, Hogan sucked at wrestling but was a genius at working the crowd, which is what he really needed to excel at anyway.
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